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  • ButchDeal
    Solar Fanatic
    • Apr 2014
    • 3802

    #61
    Originally posted by nrgized
    they think they can wait for tesla to bring their product which likely will be never. And one board member seemed to think the federal incentive made expensive and cheap module the same to the end user??

    looks like the commission needs a little suite to bring them to reality.

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    • J.P.M.
      Solar Fanatic
      • Aug 2013
      • 15049

      #62
      Originally posted by ButchDeal

      they think they can wait for tesla to bring their product which likely will be never. And one board member seemed to think the federal incentive made expensive and cheap module the same to the end user??

      looks like the commission needs a little suite to bring them to reality.
      OOFDA ! More like they need a remedial treatment for rectrocranial insertion.

      I'd suggest it was the physics of the situation related to things electron hole pairs and such that made most quality modules about equal in terms of performance.

      From were I sit, it was the federal incentive like a rising tide lifting all boats, that raised residential PV prices by about the same percentage one to another.

      In spite of what vendors and mfgs. scream from their ads, the incentives were never about lowering prices to consumers in the first and last place as much as they were about allowing a PV industry to get a foothold.

      Unfortunately, those incentives also allowed a lot of businesses that should not nave been started in the first place and, were it not for the incentives, would have failed long ago from poor management, ethics and practices, to survive long enough to produce a lot of crap and poor service that honest competition and survival of the fittest would have weeded out long ago. Along the way, a lot of people got screwed by their own ignorance that a lot of substandard vendors used to make a fast buck.

      Without the federal incentives, I strongly suspect prices to end users would be a bit higher than they are now, but nowhere near 30%. I've seen too much of human nature to believe that.

      And, not that quality ids all that bad now, I'm also of the opinion that in the absence of subsidies that sharpened competition, PV system quality would, overall, a lot better now, and would have been better sooner.

      As for any benefit to a fledgling solar energy industry, the federal subsidies have had the same effect on the solar energy industry as training wheels on bikes, people addicted to substances, or children whose parents subsidize them well into adulthood, making them permanently dependent by never allowing /requiring them to grow up, stand on their own two feet and become independent. The solar arrays wind up as poorly designed appendages. The children wind up the equivalent of semi feral house pets and little more.

      I saw the much same thing as has happened to PV as happened to solar thermal in the '70's. A lot of that stuff from the early days was plain crap, had to be removed, and left a bad taste and a stain on the R.E. industry that has yet to go away completely.

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      • SupraLance
        Junior Member
        • Feb 2018
        • 27

        #63
        Sounds like the OP would have been better off just extending the roof ridgeline, adding a faux gable roof over the hip roof sections. Also has the advantage of more south facing slope for panels in additiion to be perfectly rectanglular.

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        • CharlieEscCA
          Solar Fanatic
          • Dec 2016
          • 236

          #64
          The questions from the planning people @ 1 hr 16 minute and beyond would drive me crazy if I was there.
          8.6 kWp roof (SE 7600 and 28 panels)

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          • CodeeCB
            Junior Member
            • Dec 2017
            • 27

            #65
            Originally posted by SupraLance
            Sounds like the OP would have been better off just extending the roof ridgeline, adding a faux gable roof over the hip roof sections. Also has the advantage of more south facing slope for panels in additiion to be perfectly rectanglular.
            I was thinking the same thing.

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            • reader2580
              Solar Fanatic
              • Jan 2017
              • 281

              #66
              Rebuilding the roof from hip to gable would probably cost way more than having faux panels engineered and made.

              Does the city also have this requirement if the panels were on the back side of the house?

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              • nrgized
                Member
                • Oct 2017
                • 30

                #67
                Originally posted by nrgized
                update: the former contractor whom could not build to code is suing me for defamation because I am telling the truth and the city is still trying to prosecute me for solar?

                www.burnsvilleantisolar.us.




                Thank you....

                I contacted the solar manufacturer Canadian solar... they said they don't make this and that yes Sharp did 10 years ago, hence you find old modules on ebay but yes too spendy at $250 or so and then they won't match nor work so the other option is make or DIY?

                Canadian solar ( the make of the array) said: I think the best thing I can do is send you some frame samples and you can cut the shape you need and make your own faux laminate and cells to satisfy your inspector. Then take it down when you think it
                I was able to solve the problem and the future is bright:https://www.quora.com/Where-can-I-ge...-solar-modules
                https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/...=1&maxRec=2294
                7.4 kW Grid-Tied

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                • nrgized
                  Member
                  • Oct 2017
                  • 30

                  #68
                  Originally posted by ButchDeal

                  they think they can wait for tesla to bring their product which likely will be never. And one board member seemed to think the federal incentive made expensive and cheap module the same to the end user??

                  looks like the commission needs a little suite to bring them to reality.
                  7.4 kW Grid-Tied

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                  • nrgized
                    Member
                    • Oct 2017
                    • 30

                    #69
                    Originally posted by reader2580
                    Rebuilding the roof from hip to gable would probably cost way more than having faux panels engineered and made.

                    Does the city also have this requirement if the panels were on the back side of the house?
                    https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/...=1&maxRec=2294
                    7.4 kW Grid-Tied

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                    • ButchDeal
                      Solar Fanatic
                      • Apr 2014
                      • 3802

                      #70
                      just because something ONCE existed doesn't make it a smart idea. roof solar shingles are one of the worst ways to add solar and that is why Dow Chemical stopped making them. Also why the price is crazy high for Tesla shingles.
                      Last edited by ButchDeal; 03-15-2019, 10:56 AM.
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                      • azdave
                        Moderator
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 802

                        #71
                        Originally posted by ButchDeal

                        just because something ONCE existed doesn't make it a smart idea. roof solar shingles are one of the worst ways to add solar and that is why Doe stopped making them.
                        Wait! Does that mean solar roads are a bad idea too? I was hoping to repave my driveway this year with some of that sweet new technology.

                        Dave W. Gilbert AZ
                        6.63kW grid-tie owner

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                        • ButchDeal
                          Solar Fanatic
                          • Apr 2014
                          • 3802

                          #72
                          Originally posted by azdave

                          Wait! Does that mean solar roads are a bad idea too? I was hoping to repave my driveway this year with some of that sweet new technology.
                          Have you heard about the new lunar PV modules....wait for it....Lunar Roads
                          Last edited by ButchDeal; 03-15-2019, 09:48 AM.
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                          • Mike90250
                            Moderator
                            • May 2009
                            • 16020

                            #73
                            Originally posted by azdave

                            Wait! Does that mean solar roads are a bad idea too? I was hoping to repave my driveway this year with some of that sweet new technology.
                            They have been replaced with the center divider wind turbines !
                            You put fuel in the cars, you drive the cars on the road, and the wind makes the turbines spin and that makes power to ......
                            wait for it ------ pump the oil out of the ground. . . . Free Oil
                            https://www.shell.com/inside-energy/...to-energy.html

                            ShellOilWindTurbine.jpg
                            Last edited by Mike90250; 03-15-2019, 10:18 AM.
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                            || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                            || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

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                            • bcroe
                              Solar Fanatic
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 5222

                              #74
                              Its not safe under a wind turbine, these blades weigh 7 tons each. Took this myself. Bruce Roe


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                              • J.P.M.
                                Solar Fanatic
                                • Aug 2013
                                • 15049

                                #75
                                Originally posted by ButchDeal

                                just because something ONCE existed doesn't make it a smart idea. roof solar shingles are one of the worst ways to add solar and that is why Doe stopped making them. Also why the price is crazy high for Tesla shingles.
                                Does Tesla make anything that isn't high priced ?

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