24 volt system help, newbie

[russ]

The gov couldnt care nless off grid or on

The gov couldnt care less about being self sufficient.

If you want to drop out of society have fun

[Anton]

I'm not dropping out of society, too much of a people person
Oil will be the next huge bubble pop, similar to the Danish Tulip bubble, only much worse.
We can all lessen the severity of its impact, or we could continue to be gluttons, overlook science and make things worse.

We have paid for 5x more oil than we can burn. The difference between what we have paid and what we are allowed to burn is $20 trillion.
And guess what, we keep finding more...

Anyway, done with global warming. I do believe in some "conspiracies" I just do not wish to discuss them here.

[russ]

I'm not dropping out of society, too much of a people person
Oil will be the next huge bubble pop, similar to the Danish Tulip bubble, only much worse. Pardon? I know about the Dutch tulip scenario but that has zero similarities with oil - we need to manage remaining resources for those uses that only oil will serve for - such as plastics.

We can all lessen the severity of its impact, or we could continue to be gluttons, overlook science and make things worse. We are using less for most consumers all the time - only every day there are more consumers. Gluttons? Strange way to look at it but quite green.

We have paid for 5x more oil than we can burn. The difference between what we have paid and what we are allowed to burn is $20 trillion.
And guess what, we keep finding more... That makes zero sense.

Anyway, done with global warming. I do believe in some "conspiracies" I just do not wish to discuss them here.

Any conspiracy junk posted here will be deleted so good idea.

[Sunking]

Sunking,

1/3 of CO2 emissions come from heating, cooling and lighting buildings and homes.
Earthships don't contribute to this

The transportation of all the food we eat is a huge contributer of CO2 emissions, much more than personal vehicular transportation.
Earthships grow their own food.

Complete hogwash and a diversion tactic in the form of a Strawman Argument and has nothion gto do with you. The Two main facts are by your own omission are:

• Your home regardless of what material or form you make it with uses electricity. 8.4 to 9 Kwh/day, 270 Kwh/month, 3240 Kwh/year
• Your elected choice of generating electricity via off-grid solar battery is the most inefficient, most expensive and heaviest polluting emissions you can possible choose from.

So don't come here trying to tell me you are saving the earth, you are polluting more than the average human being is. If you think otherwise you are dellusional

My mortgage plus utilities is/was $22k/year
My 20 acres cost less than $7k, 0% interest for 8 years. Yearly "mortgage" plus road maintenance plus property taxes comes out to less than $1,100 plus depreciation of batteries etc.

Don't think I'll save money?

Hell no, it is impossible. You will paying $100 to $150/month in just battery cost, and another $5 to $10/month running your CO2 belching/farting generator you have failed to account for. My guess is hiding that fact as you do not want to talk about it. Fact is you can buy that same amount of electricity for about $25 to $40/month, and it will generate far less emissions than your solar system.

Sorry to be so rough on you but if you think you are saving any money or offsetting any emmisions then you are DELUSIONAL and only fooling yourself and other like closed minded uneducated people. Personally I do not care if you go off grid. I will help you do it. But fact is you should not ever go off-grid unless there is no other feasible option. So if you have commercial power nearby and really concerned about cost and Mother Earth, use it. Otherwise you are just throwing money away and the exact opposite of what you claim to be. In other words just another Al Bore hypocrite spreading propaganda.

[Jaiman]

Green Fools

Green fools are following their hero Al Bore over the cliff - wait and see. The clowns need a supposed crisis like this to have games to play.

Should we take better care of mother earth? Yes.

Should we panic like the UN and associated loonies want? No.

each of us is entitled to our opinion I spent 14 years cutting down trees for railway sleepers,but I like to sit look and ponder occasionally and surely if we look at the ancient ruins of past civizilations to realize that their actions have an outcome of some kind for instance what would happen to the earths food supply if the bee population was gone ,no sweet honey but it would keep a lot of people busy with a paint brush ferlilizing flowers so we could eat it could be that easy for the population of this planet to become extinct, as all the trees grass etc are fertilized by bees and we need plant reproduction so we can breathe BUT THERE ARE OSTRICHES IN THE LAND

[russ]

each of us is entitled to our opinion I spent 14 years cutting down trees for railway sleepers,but I like to sit look and ponder occasionally and surely if we look at the ancient ruins of past civizilations to realize that their actions have an outcome of some kind for instance what would happen to the earths food supply if the bee population was gone ,no sweet honey but it would keep a lot of people busy with a paint brush ferlilizing flowers so we could eat it could be that easy for the population of this planet to become extinct, as all the trees grass etc are fertilized by bees and we need plant reproduction so we can breathe BUT THERE ARE OSTRICHES IN THE LAND

I said we need to take better care of mother earth - that also has little to do with the green loony program. You are correct about the OSTRICHES
IN THE LAND and they are often green in color.

[FloridaSun]

for instance what would happen to the earths food supply if the bee population was gone ,no sweet honey but it would keep a lot of people busy with a paint brush ferlilizing flowers so we could eat it could be that easy for the population of this planet to become extinct, as all the trees grass etc are fertilized by bees and we need plant reproduction so we can breathe BUT THERE ARE OSTRICHES IN THE LAND

Bullpucky.... You should learn more about botany and interaction of natural processes before you go spouting off. Honey bees aren't even native to this country, but were brought over by early settlers from Europe. Not all flowers are pollinated by insects... such as in corn which is wind pollinated.
If you don't want to be an ostrich with your head stuck in the sand it does you no better to be a lemming, led by ignorance and half truths.

[Anton]

I will save money.

Right now: mortgage+utilities=$22,000/year
Off grid: mortgage+utilities=$2,200/year

CO2 emissions is a very interconnected web.

The 2 biggest contributors:
Heating, cooling and lighting homes and buildings.
The growing, harvesting and transportation of our food.

Personal vehicles are very low on the list. In the US, bovine CO2 emissions outweigh personal driving CO2 emissions. Even the traditional methods of cooking release more CO2 than driving!

If you want to reduce your CO2 emissions you should:
Not heat, cool, or light your home
Eat only what you grow
Reduce your meat intake to 10% of diet or less
Recycle your own grey water

[Anton]

Building site has no utilities near it.

[russ]

I will save money.

Right now: mortgage+utilities=$22,000/year
Off grid: mortgage+utilities=$2,200/year

CO2 emissions is a very interconnected web.

The 2 biggest contributors:
Heating, cooling and lighting homes and buildings.
The growing, harvesting and transportation of our food.

Personal vehicles are very low on the list. In the US, bovine CO2 emissions outweigh personal driving CO2 emissions. Even the traditional methods of cooking release more CO2 than driving!

If you want to reduce your CO2 emissions you should:
Not heat, cool, or light your home
Eat only what you grow
Reduce your meat intake to 10% of diet or less
Recycle your own grey water

Sorry but that is BS and blather

[Anton]

Why don't you inform me then:

What are the biggest contributers to CO2?

[Anton]

565 Gigatons: that's how much CO2 we can dump into our atmosphere by 2050 before we hit 2 degree Celcius change. 167 countries agreed (20 years ago) that hitting the 2 degree Celcius temperature change would be catastrophic.

2,795 Gigatons: if we use the oil reserves we already have found and already have paid for in the same fashion we have been then we release 2,796 Gigatons of CO2. That is 5x more than we are "allowed" to.

The difference between 2,795 gigatons and 575 gigatons is approximately $20 Trillion.

At our current rate of emission we, as a planet, will dump 565 Gigatons of CO2 within the next 14 years.

And we keep spending money to find more reserves and financing more operations.

[Sunking]

I do not help extremist or preppers.

[Anton]

I am neither.
I am a person who wants to help. My motives are not to prep for the disaster but rather do my part to try to avoid it completely. If that's not possible hopefully I'll do enough to soften its blow.

Thanks for your help this far. I will be going 48 volt

[russ]

565 Gigatons: that's how much CO2 we can dump into our atmosphere by 2050 before we hit 2 degree Celcius change. 167 countries agreed (20 years ago) that hitting the 2 degree Celcius temperature change would be catastrophic.

2,795 Gigatons: if we use the oil reserves we already have found and already have paid for in the same fashion we have been then we release 2,796 Gigatons of CO2. That is 5x more than we are "allowed" to.

The difference between 2,795 gigatons and 575 gigatons is approximately $20 Trillion.

At our current rate of emission we, as a planet, will dump 565 Gigatons of CO2 within the next 14 years.

And we keep spending money to find more reserves and financing more operations.

Wow - impressive! We see that you are a wonderful parrot and can repeat things well. Take your green star and paste it on your forehead.

Now that you have shown you have no idea of climate/the world other than what garbage green sites put out what else do you know.

Even if you were correct, living on top a hill in Texas wouldn't not change anything even by 1 millisecond.

Naptown - Not rude or offensive at all! Only truthful