24 volt system help, newbie

[Anton]

Thanks for all the good info guys, I really appreciate it!
48 volt system it is
Sunking, I'll be using your layout, thanks.

Any advice on the components? What to look for/avoid when it comes to charge controllers and inverter?

I've only heard of 2 earthship fires. In both the wooden frame for the greenhouse burnt but the tire walls coated with adobe held up fine, in fact they rebuilt using the same walls

As far as tire smell, nearly all off gassing occurs within the first 20,000 miles of use, there is no odor inside an earthship. Tests of air quality shows that the air inside an earthship is very clean, due to the mini forest growing inside

[Anton]

And Sunking: how does solar power emit CO2?
You don't think I'll save money by living off grid and close to self sufficient?
You have little faith

[russ]

And Sunking: how does solar power emit CO2?
You don't think I'll save money by living off grid and close to self sufficient?
You have little faith

Depends on the life style you choose - hermits save money - others not really

CO2 is from the equipment in the system and replacements -

Not my choice at all.

[Sunking]

And Sunking: how does solar power emit CO2?

You are looking inside a box and completely forget it takes a boat load of coal to make your system. Fact is for a battery system it takes way more energy to make all the components that make the sytem, in addition to all those battery replacements you will be replacing every 5 years. Goin goff grid just adds more emissions, not less.

You don't think I'll save money by living off grid and close to self sufficient?
You have little faith

I am a devoted Christian I have a lot of faith, just not a fool. A top quality 5 year battery will cost you $1100/Kwh/day capacity. In 5 years that 1 Kwh battery will provide you with 1825 Kwh. That means in just battery cost alone you are paying $1100/1825 Kwh = $0.61/Kwh. I can buy 1 Kwh for $.08/Kwh, you around 10 to 15 cents. It is impossible to save money or mother earth going off-grid. If you believe otherwise you are only folling yourself. Sorry to be so blunt, but the Truth is in the numbers.

[Anton]

Sunking,

1/3 of CO2 emissions come from heating, cooling and lighting buildings and homes.
Earthships don't contribute to this

The transportation of all the food we eat is a huge contributer of CO2 emissions, much more than personal vehicular transportation.
Earthships grow their own food.

In building I save some tires from the tire pile, I recycle lots of glass bottles and aluminum cans and even clothes.

My mortgage plus utilities is/was $22k/year
My 20 acres cost less than $7k, 0% interest for 8 years. Yearly "mortgage" plus road maintenance plus property taxes comes out to less than $1,100 plus depreciation of batteries etc.

Don't think I'll save money?

And it's not about being a hermit, I'm only 6 miles from a Very cool town

[russ]

Sunking,

1/3 of CO2 emissions come from heating, cooling and lighting buildings and homes.
Earthships don't contribute to this

The transportation of all the food we eat is a huge contributer of CO2 emissions, much more than personal vehicular transportation.
Earthships grow their own food.

In building I save some tires from the tire pile, I recycle lots of glass bottles and aluminum cans and even clothes.

My mortgage plus utilities is/was $22k/year
My 20 acres cost less than $7k, 0% interest for 8 years. Yearly "mortgage" plus road maintenance plus property taxes comes out to less than $1,100 plus depreciation of batteries etc.

Don't think I'll save money?

And it's not about being a hermit, I'm only 6 miles from a Very cool town

Enjoy - but it certainly isn't anything I am interested in. I plan to enjoy life in retirement.

You clubbed several green myths in together - transport cost is Baloney and same for heating and cooling but the figures make a lot of little greens happy.

[Anton]

It's not for everyone

I wasn't talking about costs, I was talking about CO2 emissions.

The myth is that people can change their lightbulbs, get a Prius, not change anything else and everything will be a ok.

Global warming is not a myth.
We can dump another 565 Gigatons of CO2 into the atmosphere before we warm the earth 2 degrees Celsius.
We have paid for 2,795 Gigatons.
And we keep finding more...

Remember the Tulip bubble? It'll be nothing next to the oil bubble.

[Jaiman]

congrats

Anton like your train of thought I'm with you but I'm going with second hand stuff the batteries are only 2 yrs old and panels are 80 watters and still above new specs and at a HUGE saving but it is handy to know someone in the industry that can do some checking for you if I keep them for 5 years and replace with same I would have to save on a quarterlybill in excess of $900

[russ]

It's not for everyone

I wasn't talking about costs, I was talking about CO2 emissions.

The myth is that people can change their lightbulbs, get a Prius, not change anything else and everything will be a ok.

Global warming is not a myth.
We can dump another 565 Gigatons of CO2 into the atmosphere before we warm the earth 2 degrees Celsius.
We have paid for 2,795 Gigatons.
And we keep finding more...

Remember the Tulip bubble? It'll be nothing next to the oil bubble.

The global warming myth is being more exposed everyday - your scenario is fantasy. I have been through many scares, nuclear winter, new ice age, flu virus pandemic, global warming - all are hokum at the end of the day.

[Anton]

The global warming myth is being more exposed everyday - your scenario is fantasy. I have been through many scares, nuclear winter, new ice age, flu virus pandemic, global warming - all are hokum at the end of the day.

This is not a y2k or other scare. It is math.

2 degrees Celsius
565 Gigatons
2,795 Gigatons

These are real numbers.

Infer what you want, not trying to scare, only inform.

[russ]

This is not a y2k or other scare. It is math.

2 degrees Celsius
565 Gigatons
2,795 Gigatons

These are real numbers.

Infer what you want, not trying to scare, only inform.

Informing with hokum is still hokum. Green sites with zero thought love this stuff - the thinking world not so much.

[Anton]

What?? Ha!!

You don't believe warming 2 degrees Celsius would be catastrophic?

Or, you don't believe we've paid for 2,795 gigatons of co2.

Or you don't believe that 565 gigatons of co2 dumped within 37 years will warm the earth 2 degrees?

That followed the warmest May on record for the Northern Hemisphere – the 327th consecutive month in which the temperature of the entire globe exceeded the 20th-century average, the odds of which occurring by simple chance were 3.7 x 10-99, a number considerably larger than the number of stars in the universe.

[Anton]

russ, the idea that global warming is a myth is the fantasy. Keep the sheeple docile and in place with a fantastical thought that the obvious is not actually happening.

[russ]

russ, the idea that global warming is a myth is the fantasy. Keep the sheeple docile and in place with a fantastical thought that the obvious is not actually happening.

Green fools are following their hero Al Bore over the cliff - wait and see. The clowns need a supposed crisis like this to have games to play.

Should we take better care of mother earth? Yes.

Should we panic like the UN and associated loonies want? No.

[Anton]

I don't follow Gore, I listen to the experts.

Why would government want people going off grid?
They don't.

Why would government want people going self sufficient?
They don't.

Thanks for all your help and stimulating, intellectual and testable thoughts russ...best prediction as of now is that we will dump 565 Gigatons of co2 within the next 14 years...hope you're ready.