SCE forcing me off TOU-D-A

[silversaver]

The design here in 2013, was to cover 100% of my heating (we see -20F sometimes), air
conditioning (we see 90F), and electricity needs. That has worked, lately for 2 buildings
and usually with a 7% surplus going back to the grid. Bruce Roe

Hi Bruce,

Are you in CA with TOU-D-A? No snow here haha

I'm trying to find a quick answer with this new TOU plan from SCE which doesn't make too much sense for solar owner..... Not sure how this tier system work toward credit. I am still in the middle of reading...

[bcroe]

. Hi, I am wondering what percentage your solar
system cover you annual usage? My solar cover about 80% of my usage. Thanks

The design here in 2013, was to cover 100% of my heating (we see -20F sometimes), air
conditioning (we see 90F), and electricity needs. That has worked, lately for 2 buildings
and usually with a 7% surplus going back to the grid. Bruce Roe

[silversaver]

It is highly dependent on your situation. They provided estimates in the letter and it showed tiered being the cheapest for me. However, I also have 4 years of usage and generation data in 15 minute intervals in spreadsheets. I took last years spreadsheet and set the rates per the TOU 4-9, TOU 5-8, TOU Prime, and Tiered and looked at what was cheapest. Tiered Domestic proved to be $200 less than the next cheapest plan, but it's still hundreds more than I'm paying right now

BTW - SCEs estimate for tiered domestic was less than $30 off from my estimate.

Also, I called SCE today to inquire about changing to Domestic Tiered, but only as late as possible (i.e. stay on TOD-D-A as long as possible). They claim to have set my transition date as December 28. I have the agents name and employee ID. I'll probably call back at some point to independently verify that it seems to have been done correctly.

Hi,

I am wondering what percentage your solar system cover you annual usage? My solar cover about 80% of my usage.

Thanks

[oldguy]

Thx Jason. I just realized that nobody from NEM 2.0 should have received the transition letter yet! I think July 2017 (maybe +/- a month or two) was the last of the NEM 1.0 PTOs...thus the start of NEM 2.0. I was Sept 2017. I sure hope I get that letter soon indicating their mistake. I also hope you (Jason) are successful with transitioning back to tiered.

BTW, I haven't looked a spreadsheet like you have. For some reason the comparison tool has me about $300 more than on my current actuals on my current TOU-A (as in my baseline). But ya' about $700 more per year for the three available (I'm eligible for Prime). Would you be willing to share your excel file? Not sure if this website allows for posting files like that.

[jasonvr]

It is highly dependent on your situation. They provided estimates in the letter and it showed tiered being the cheapest for me. However, I also have 4 years of usage and generation data in 15 minute intervals in spreadsheets. I took last years spreadsheet and set the rates per the TOU 4-9, TOU 5-8, TOU Prime, and Tiered and looked at what was cheapest. Tiered Domestic proved to be $200 less than the next cheapest plan, but it's still hundreds more than I'm paying right now

BTW - SCEs estimate for tiered domestic was less than $30 off from my estimate.

Also, I called SCE today to inquire about changing to Domestic Tiered, but only as late as possible (i.e. stay on TOD-D-A as long as possible). They claim to have set my transition date as December 28. I have the agents name and employee ID. I'll probably call back at some point to independently verify that it seems to have been done correctly.

[oldguy]

silversaver jasonvr I'm NEM 2.0 (missed 1.0 by just a few months) so don't have the ability to go back to tiered. Jason in post #31 seems to be in about the same situation as you. Maybe he could comment on why he thinks the tiered is better than one of the new TOUs.

[silversaver]

I guess the letter from SCE bring me back here again. I start my solar in late 2013 currently under TOD-D-A. My solar production will cover about 80% of my usage. I am not sure if I should going to tier plan since I just found out about this on email today. I just cannot find the information I am looking for. Lets says in March my solar is produce 300kWh than my usage, how does SCE credit me that amount? I understand TOU-D-A clearly, but now I am facing new information about all these new TOU and tier plan. I guess I need to spend more time doing my search... Froom past usage, I am banking in March-June Summer and winter is when I consume my bank credit.

If anyone has idea, please share.

[oldguy]

jasonvr So Jason...note that SCE from my understanding has made it an Opt out to keep from transitioning in Dec of this year. But their opt out process has no way to verify (on your online account, etc) that you actually opted out (or in, or whatever!). I encourage you to read the new thread I started today to make sure that you do indeed get what you think you want. I share your feelings about SCE as I spent 2-3 hours on the phone yesterday just trying to get something (anything!) in writing indicating that a) they had my transition date wrong and b) that they would acknowledge my correct transition date in writing. In theory I will get a letter via US mail in the next week or so to that effect but will be "manning the phone lines" again if I don't! So frustrating!!

[jasonvr]

@janonvr Jason....So no...do not have the return envelope. Yes, I'm NEM 2.0 and went TOU-D-A with PTO.

If you are a NEM 1.0 customer, you will transition to your new TOU rate five years from your Permission to Operate (PTO) date, beginning in fall 2021 and not to exceed 2022. This applies to residential and small business customers who received permission to operate before July 1, 2017. If you are an NEM 1.0 customer, you will still be moved to a TOU rate plan unless you want to choose to switch to another rate plan.


What plan are you currently on? If TOU I think as a NEM 1.0 you can fall back to tiered (wish I could...because these late afternoon peaks just kill ROI). When I copied/pasted those paragraphs I wasn't focusing on NEM 1.0. Now that I've reread a couple of times it seems very confusing to me. I wouldn't do anything via mail without a) calling to tell them what your plan is and if you need to mail them something send registered receipt. I felt like I was in a cornfield maze today on the phone. I'm 80% confident that there's an internal memo at SCE on how to rope-a-dope customers like me on the phone. I was polite on the phone but internally livid on the way I was treated today.

BTW, do you know how to start a thread? I think SCE is acting shamefully on this issue and I'd like others that might just glance at this site to catch wind of this.

I am NEM1.0 and Tiered looks like the right choice for me. So congrats SCE - I'll go from caring when I use my electricity to not caring at all. I currently only run my pool pump and dishwasher at night to use super off peak. Now I'll run them whenever I want, including peak periods

Now I'll try to figure if adding a few more panels, up to my NEM1.0 limit, will make financial sense

[oldguy]

thank you Bruce...lesson learned...

[bcroe]

I changed one word in an edit "did" to "do" and got flagged for spam. Huh?

I found, if you wait a few hours (maybe less) before editing, it is not flagged. Bruce Roe

[sdold]

I changed one word in an edit "did" to "do" and got flagged for spam. Huh?

The forum tries to identify possible spam and sends it to moderation, it catches a lot of spammers that way, but sometimes it flags a legitimate user, so we go in and fix it.

To start a new thread, go to the top of this page, near the upper left corner select "Forums", then scroll down that list of Forums, and select the one you want.

After you're in that forum, look for the "new topic" button and click that.

If you have problems or would like one of us to do it, let us know and we can create the topic for you and move the posts there. Just let us know which posts you'd like to move, they are numbered over on the right side. This will be #28 for example.

[oldguy]

I changed one word in an edit "did" to "do" and got flagged for spam. Huh?

[oldguy]

@janonvr Jason....So no...do not have the return envelope. Yes, I'm NEM 2.0 and went TOU-D-A with PTO.

If you are a NEM 1.0 customer, you will transition to your new TOU rate five years from your Permission to Operate (PTO) date, beginning in fall 2021 and not to exceed 2022. This applies to residential and small business customers who received permission to operate before July 1, 2017. If you are an NEM 1.0 customer, you will still be moved to a TOU rate plan unless you want to choose to switch to another rate plan.


What plan are you currently on? If TOU I think as a NEM 1.0 you can fall back to tiered (wish I could...because these late afternoon peaks just kill ROI). When I copied/pasted those paragraphs I wasn't focusing on NEM 1.0. Now that I've reread a couple of times it seems very confusing to me. I wouldn't do anything via mail without a) calling to tell them what your plan is and if you need to mail them something send registered receipt. I felt like I was in a cornfield maze today on the phone. I'm 80% confident that there's an internal memo at SCE on how to rope-a-dope customers like me on the phone. I was polite on the phone but internally livid on the way I was treated today.

BTW, do you know how to start a thread? I think SCE is acting shamefully on this issue and I'd like others that might just glance at this site to catch wind of this.

[jasonvr]

oldguy - do you happen to have the return envelope that came with your transition letter? I need the address (a picture would be great) to be able to elect tiered rates and I appear to have thrown out the envelope