Earth4Energy, Citizenre, and other Misleading Solar Energy Scam Info

[john p]

BRITELEAF You have spent $210 on .5 kw of cells ? You will be spending about the same amount again to finish them,, Sylguard,glass,frames rear junction boxes and diodes . Thats $420 x7 times about $3000.. You have no previous experience is tab soldering or sealing out air as you Sylguard,, To do this successfully you need a vacuum bag/pump.. this also takes some practice. I know as an experiment we tried it at work it took two of us just about a full day to completely make one as good as the best commercial panels. But what made it possible we have a very well equipped workshop. Far in advance of 99.999% of any other home panel builder..
You say you have very limited amounts of money but you will be spending about $3000 and no guarantee whatsoever that you will make them successfully.. Then what? You make another batch and try to rectify all the things you did wrong in the first batch? By now you are up to and most likely beyond the price of guaranteed bought ones..
What is the point of all these panels and batteries ?? it certainly is NEVER going to save you money over grid power,cost of replacement batteries every 3 to 6 years will make sure of that. And you cant do a grid tie system as you dont have approved panels.

[BriteLeaf]

Why? You can buy panels cheaper than you can make them. Nice thing is they actually work and comply with electrical codes. Don't be a fool, or you are going to be separated from your money.

First, my biggest problem is money. My house is paid for as of April of this year, but I am still low (damned near non-existent) income drawing Disability. I have seen 200 watt panels (just 1) going for nearly $400.00. There is no way that I can afford that in 1 chunk. That is why I have to do it a little bit at a time. Also, I am definitely no expert, but I did go to school for Electronics and I understand Ohm's Law. That being said, I believe that I can build the panels. Definitely not as fast, but I still think I can do it.

I may get proven wrong. If so, it is an expensive lesson for me.

No matter what though, it will be a nice experiment.

[Sunking]

I still plan on doing it, but I will just have to take baby steps and do it a little bit at a time.

Why? You can buy panels cheaper than you can make them. Nice thing is they actually work and comply with electrical codes. Don't be a fool, or you are going to be separated from your money.

[BriteLeaf]

Funny how people are ready to spew out poison and false claims on products they never used.
Earth 4 Energy is an incredible e-book that show step by step videos on how build to a solar panel( this is one solar panel for less than $200).

I recommend this e-book. A few people said the purchased Earth 4 Energy on this post either they did not open it or could not understand the easy step by step instructions. Popular Mechanics and Popular Science featured Earth 4 Energy. These magazines do not feature junk.

If you want to research and spend hours of time putting together the material Earth 4 Energy has put together for you in this e-book. Then yes you could probably after many weeks or months of research find exactly what you need, but like people who started this post has spewed out poison and deception, I would say its hard to trust if your research would be accurate.

I have successfully been a good student of Earth 4 Energy and built my solar panels. I recommend this e-book to anyone who would love the enjoyment of building a solar panel and seeing it work for you. Its easy for anyone to do if you click on the e-book and open it up, or take the long road of researching and proving your research time and time again until you get it right.

Jimmy

I have not bought the eBook, but I CAN tell you that I saw a video on Youtube (for FREE I might add!) taking you step by step on how to build the solar panels out of solar cells.

It inspired me enough that I bought my own Solar Cells and will attempt building my own and pray that it works.

Although the more I get into it, I agree with most of the people on this forum that says that there is NO WAY IN HELL that you will get off the grid for $200.00.

I bought .5 Kw worth of cells, that cost me $210.00. I KNOW I will still have to buy Junction Boxes, an Inverter, Batteries out the wazzoo, and the Charge Controller at the very minimum. Then after I have all of that, I will still need MINIMUM of another 3.5 Kw worth of panels. Assuming I am able to do all of this, I am looking at a total of about $4500.00 MINIMUM from start to finish. Assuming my math is right.

I still plan on doing it, but I will just have to take baby steps and do it a little bit at a time.

[BriteLeaf]

Yes, I agree Bob

Preferably someone in a timezone opposite of mine perhaps

Scratch my last post. I see that you are in Mountain Time, just 1 hour behind me, and also that post was dated a bit better than 2 years ago lol.

Yes, it is 5:00 am and I haven't been to bed yet lol

I am tired. So sue me lol

[BriteLeaf]

Yes, I agree Bob

Preferably someone in a timezone opposite of mine perhaps

Not sure where you are, but I'm in the Central Time Zone

[johnkimball@sunelec.com]

Thanks Jason

I am relieved to see that someone is really telling it as it is, pure scam, super bad name for the real thing. Total lies. I actually emailed this guy and cursed him out. What a low life piece o...

[russ]

Hi and welcome to Solar Panel Talk!

To difficult for the unaware to sort out the garbage from any small amount of useful information.

[Krista]

If I am a total noob in this, would they have some beneficial info?

[russ]

Earth 4 Energy and that type are no different than the scammers selling penis enlargers and other such junk on the net.

They get some sucker like the fool that posted this note of praise to help them by paying so much per click that his link gets them.

If anyone really believes their stories then there is no hope for that person.

[john p]

Here is the reasons I think it impractical for people to build cheaply and successfully home made solar panels,, Successfully means work well and LAST MANY YEARS.
We were given a batch of a new potting mix the makers claimed was far superior to Sylguard.As we have a very good vacuum pump press and everything else the best of we decided to make a solar panel. We had first grade cells.,in fact they are better than ones you can buy anywhere commercially.
We were given the all clear to do this in work time..
It took two of us 7 hours to complete the panel from start to finish including making the frame of anodised aluminium.
When we added up the cost of materials it came to a bit more than half rhe retail price of a 160w panel. But if you added the time cost it then went way beyond the retail cost of a panel that size.

So how can anyone do it at home without all the equipment successfully and at lower that bought cost.??

[Sunking]

The scam is not about building a $200 panel, it's about realistically expecting it ($200) to supply household power, without a LOT more expenses.

Mike I do not disagree with your assessment, I just have a different opinion of what makes it a SCAM.

First is the information is incomplete, inaccurate, deceptive,and better information can be had for free.

Second it is a Multi-Level Marketing Scheme aka as Pyramid Marketing. It starts with the top dog who wrote the useless information. He then recruits a sales force who are compensated not only for sales they personally generate, but also for the sales of others they recruit, creating a downline of distributors and a hierarchy of multiple levels of compensation. Most of these use Click Blank.

[Mike90250]

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Earth 4 Energy is an incredible e-book that show step by step videos on how build to a solar panel( this is one solar panel for less than $200). ..........

How many watts do they promise for that $200 ?? Most of the ads state "run your house with a $200 PV panel. You might barely run a small cabin lighting system for that.

A conservative guess is a house in a mild climate (So. Calif.) needs about 5,000w of PV power, with a grid tie setup, to be "neutral" [ about 75% efficient, total system ]. If the $200 panel produces 100w, you need 50 panels, with a cost of $10,000 for the PV only. Then you have racks, wires, and inverter to purchase, and install. And that nagging guy from the city, wanting to inspect it. And the electric company coming around to pull your meter out, and cut you off, when they discover an un-lawful generator connection. And your insurance company cancels your homeowners insurance because of non-certified electrical "appliances"

The scam is not about building a $200 panel, it's about realistically expecting it ($200) to supply household power, without a LOT more expenses.

Building a DIY panel for a light in a garden shed, or a camping trip is reasonable and a great learning experience, but for home scale, it's not realistic.

[Sunking]

Earth 4 Energy is an incredible e-book that show step by step videos on how build to a solar panel( this is one solar panel for less than $200).

Say good night Jimmy, you lost any credibility here.

[fatherhnds]

You have never purchased the product!

Funny how people are ready to spew out poison and false claims on products they never used.
Earth 4 Energy is an incredible e-book that show step by step videos on how build to a solar panel( this is one solar panel for less than $200).

I recommend this e-book. A few people said the purchased Earth 4 Energy on this post either they did not open it or could not understand the easy step by step instructions. Popular Mechanics and Popular Science featured Earth 4 Energy. These magazines do not feature junk.

If you want to research and spend hours of time putting together the material Earth 4 Energy has put together for you in this e-book. Then yes you could probably after many weeks or months of research find exactly what you need, but like people who started this post has spewed out poison and deception, I would say its hard to trust if your research would be accurate.

I have successfully been a good student of Earth 4 Energy and built my solar panels. I recommend this e-book to anyone who would love the enjoyment of building a solar panel and seeing it work for you. Its easy for anyone to do if you click on the e-book and open it up, or take the long road of researching and proving your research time and time again until you get it right.

Jimmy