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  • Mike90250
    Moderator
    • May 2009
    • 16020

    #31
    Originally posted by Sunking
    PROVE IT...
    ...A 48 volt @ 1000 amp hours plant cannot even supply a days worth of power you are claiming. .....
    Well, my existing 400ah bank can run a household (carefully) overnight, but it will be pretty low in the AM.

    My array DOES show up in the latest (Aug) Google images, and it's only 3Kw, and it will corrolate to the shop photo from on the ground.

    B) Off-Grid No. Calif 3.0KW on pole mount about $80K (about what installing power lines would have cost me, and then monthly bills forever)
    27066_1247848595122_1196643274_30605016_6045984_n.jpg

    <insert google map image when I arrive at a computer with more than IE6 - stupid work IT restrictions>
    LMR_Shop_Site_GM.jpg
    Modest PV array , shop on left street names blurred out.
    Last edited by Mike90250; 10-31-2011, 06:56 PM. Reason: add screen shot from maps
    Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

    solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
    gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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    • solarfreak
      Junior Member
      • Oct 2011
      • 5

      #32
      inappropriate content removed.
      Last edited by Mike90250; 10-31-2011, 05:41 PM. Reason: un shout quote (Mod)

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      • Mike90250
        Moderator
        • May 2009
        • 16020

        #33
        Moderator Voice On

        Sunking - no candy for you tonight

        Solarfreak - I'm cleaning up the SHOUTING (glad this board does not have blinking fonts), but I too, would like to see what you have rigged up. If I had 11Kw of PV, I could harvest 1Kw in cloudy weather ! Do you feed it into 1 charge controller, or 4 ?

        Did you build it all at once, or in sections, over time ?
        Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
        || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
        || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

        solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
        gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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        • Sunking
          Solar Fanatic
          • Feb 2010
          • 23301

          #34
          Originally posted by solarfreak
          What kind of rude remark is that. It is sad to see that a community about solar panels is this hostile and maybe I should indeed get lost quick.
          GPS Coordinates please. A 15 KW panel and 6000 acre community can clearly be seen from space along with a refinery large enough to process enough Bio Diesel fuel for a car Proof is on your shoulders. Tick-Tick-Tick your credibility is shrinking by the second. All you got to do is PROVE IT.
          MSEE, PE

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          • Sunking
            Solar Fanatic
            • Feb 2010
            • 23301

            #35
            Originally posted by Mike90250
            Moderator Voice On

            Sunking - no candy for you tonight
            Mike he is a liar and you know it. All he has to do is provide some picture or GPS coordinates. He cannot do it because it does not exist.
            MSEE, PE

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            • Mike90250
              Moderator
              • May 2009
              • 16020

              #36
              Originally posted by Sunking
              GPS Coordinates please. ....
              Sorry. No coordinates needed. Too much at stake, I won't share my exact location, and I can't ask others to either. With a "shopping list" all made out, it's silly. I can't be sure when my caretakers will have "old betsy" out or not. (with all the pot farms and poachers in No Cal, you can't be too carefull - last month a couple of forresters in THEIR woods were shot up by pot squatters) .
              Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
              || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
              || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

              solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
              gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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              • Mike90250
                Moderator
                • May 2009
                • 16020

                #37
                Originally posted by Sunking
                Mike he is a liar and you know it. All he has to do is provide some picture or GPS coordinates. He cannot do it because it does not exist.
                I can suspect it, but i don't know it. And you can't "know" it either. I suppose I can look up his IP address, and find out if he's in downtown San Jose or posting from Hughes Net.
                Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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                • 4321loco
                  Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 80

                  #38
                  Not sure why would one build a 6000 acre subdivision that has no grid power at all,...Anyways this is the most intresting topic I've read in a while..

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                  • Naptown
                    Solar Fanatic
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 6880

                    #39
                    Originally posted by 4321loco
                    Not sure why would one build a 6000 acre subdivision that has no grid power at all,...Anyways this is the most intresting topic I've read in a while..
                    Agreed on the interesting part.
                    Why the POCO wouldn't run grid there is beyond me unless the lot sizes are 1-2K acres each
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                    • Sunking
                      Solar Fanatic
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 23301

                      #40
                      Mike Ok fair enough. Why a developer would not want to provide details and location on a Master Planned 6000 acre (10 square miles) development is OK by me. Not my money or fairytale. Riddle me this:
                      • Q1.What did solar panels cost per watt 5, 10, or 20 years ago?
                      • Q2 What did retail residential electricity prices cost 5, 10, 20 years ago?
                      • Q3 Did the commercial market offer any products for such a massive system exist 5, 10, or 20 years ago particularly charge controllers and solid state devices for 300 + amp systems @ 48 volts.
                      • Q4 Where were all the media articles such as newspapers, engineering journals, TV, and RE advocates for such a spectacular engineering feat never documented to this date for such a monster system project.

                      Mike you know this is a fairytale. You are an engineer and know it. It is some kid sitting at home or Occupy Wall Street protest smoking a bong without a clue day dreaming about Utopia.

                      So here is the deal Mike, I RESIGN MEMBERSHIP if you let this kid go unchallenged. I stake my reputation he is a liar and cannot provide proof. All he has to do is prove it with pictures and specifications. (Don't hold your breath waiting for proof) Such a multi-million dollar project would be worthy of promotion in all media don’t you think? What Tree Hugger or Promoter would not want to go live or advertise a 6000 acre Master Planned Community without ads?

                      Don’t Bogart that joint my friend, pass it over here.
                      MSEE, PE

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                      • Mike90250
                        Moderator
                        • May 2009
                        • 16020

                        #41
                        Vinnie and solarfreak are not posting from the same IP address, so I've got to take solarfreak at his word for now.

                        it's easy to take a screen shot with google maps and blur out identifying labels.
                        Last edited by Mike90250; 10-31-2011, 07:20 PM.
                        Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                        || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                        || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                        solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                        gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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                        • Mike90250
                          Moderator
                          • May 2009
                          • 16020

                          #42
                          [QUOTE=Sunking;35129]Mike Ok fair enough. Why a developer would not want to provide details and location on a Master Planned 6000 acre (10 square miles) development is OK by me. Not my money or fairytale. Riddle me this:
                          • Q1.What did solar panels cost per watt 5, 10, or 20 years ago?
                          • Q2 What did retail residential electricity prices cost 5, 10, 20 years ago?
                          • Q3 Did the commercial market offer any products for such a massive system exist 5, 10, or 20 years ago particularly charge controllers and solid state devices for 300 + amp systems @ 48 volts.
                          • Q4 Where were all the media articles such as newspapers, engineering journals, TV, and RE advocates for such a spectacular engineering feat never documented to this date for such a monster system project.

                          Mike you know this is a fairytale. You are an engineer and know it. It is some kid sitting at home or Occupy Wall Street protest smoking a bong without a clue day dreaming about Utopia.

                          So here is the deal Mike, I RESIGN MEMBERSHIP if you let this kid go unchallenged. I stake my reputation he is a liar and cannot provide proof. All he has to do is prove it with pictures and specifications. (Don't hold your breath waiting for proof) Such a multi-million dollar project would be worthy of promotion in all media don
                          Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                          || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                          || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                          solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                          gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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                          • Naptown
                            Solar Fanatic
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 6880

                            #43
                            I have to go with Dereck on this one.
                            If this was a "green" and I don't mean the legal type there would have been media coverage of this.
                            So this is either a scam or an installation for illegal purposes.
                            The parameters suggest nothing else.
                            NABCEP certified Technical Sales Professional

                            [URL="http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showthread.php?5334-Solar-Off-Grid-Battery-Design"]http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showth...Battery-Design[/URL]

                            [URL]http://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html[/URL] (Voltage drop Calculator among others)

                            [URL="http://www.gaisma.com"]www.gaisma.com[/URL]

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                            • solarfreak
                              Junior Member
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 5

                              #44
                              inappropriate content removed.

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                              • 4321loco
                                Member
                                • Sep 2009
                                • 80

                                #45
                                removed
                                Last edited by 4321loco; 10-31-2011, 08:39 PM. Reason: nonsense lol

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