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Originally posted by df0rster View PostI'm estimating to do net metering it will add $40/month to my bill with the insurance.OutBack FP1 w/ CS6P-250P http://bit.ly/1Sg5VNHComment
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Originally posted by Sunking View PostLike I said COOPS are exempt and can do whatever the members want. In th eOP's case they will not even allow them to export. Like any utility, solar i snot needed and they do not want it and Investor owned utilities in states with Net Metering are forced by LAW to mandate export at retail prices.
Would you work for free?
On a side note I asked about other rebates such as the free Honeywell or best wifi thermostat and the $20 monthly bill credit for linking your thermostat to your Connexus account. According to some people on this forum this should go away like net metering. The response I got - and I'd imagine this plays a roll in the solar as well - is that when we give them permission to raise our thermostat temp 2 degrees for 3 hours upto 4 times a month, the amount of capacity in the system that frees up and the amount they get from commercial customers with on demand pricing is exponentially higher. Depending on demand they can make 50-100x their credit to residential users from commercial demand billing accounts.
Connexus has around 130,000 residential customers and around 11,000 businesses - of those around 68 were solar members as of April. They make BANK off the green electricity they buy from solar over production. Especially vs adding on to their own solar array.
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Originally posted by jflorey2 View PostWell:
1) Why would you need to limit power? There's no penalty for overproducing, and your costs are the same either way. (In fact it's cheaper to overproduce, if that saves you the cost of the current-sense transformers you need to implement the "grid zero" option.)
2) There is an option called the StorEdge that can be used with a HV battery. It's relatively new; Butch could probably comment on it better than I could. But it's expensive and you wouldn't make the money back, since it does not increase the energy you are generating.
you can do do it without the battery as well using any solaredge inverter and a consumption meter with settings for zero feed inOutBack FP1 w/ CS6P-250P http://bit.ly/1Sg5VNHComment
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Originally posted by Sunking View PostLike I said COOPS are exempt and can do whatever the members want. In th eOP's case they will not even allow them to export. Like any utility, solar i snot needed and they do not want it and Investor owned utilities in states with Net Metering are forced by LAW to mandate export at retail prices.
Would you work for free?Comment
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Originally posted by CodeeCB View Post
I've been reading these forums for awhile and noticed a somewhat consistent disapproval/hatred/anger towards net metering. I asked the engineer from Connexus about net metering while he was at my house and why they pay what they do. He stated it is the cheapest thing they can do to support Green energy.
Of course that is what the engineer told you and would be what I would tell you if I worked for a utility. They are forced my Law to use so called green energy by government they have no use for. So to avoid expenditures and comply with mandates forced upon them, they use your and taxpayers money to comply.
Many states like T told the feds to shove it and did not implement Mandatory Net Metering Laws, and thus why rates are so low. Most the retailers that allow Grid Tie in TX pay the home owner Wholesale for what they export and buy at retail. That puts the burden of the cost on the homeowner and not your neighbors and the poor.
As an example where my home is that my Son now lives and owns uses Champion Energy. He pays 7.9 cent per Kwh for the first 2500 Kwh/month. Amy thing in excess of 2500 Kwh/month and the price goes down to around 6-cents per Kwh. Want grid tied? Great you sell (export) at 6-cents per Kwh and buy at 11 cents per Kwh.
I am all for solar as long as you pay for it and stay out of my pockets.MSEE, PEComment
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Originally posted by Sunking View Post
If you go ahead you just volunteered for a rate hike. Now why on earth would you do that?Comment
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Originally posted by ButchDeal View Post
what insurance company do you have? It cost us about $10 a year to increase our liability coverage.Comment
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Originally posted by df0rster View PostDont necessarily care if I limit power, I would want to limit export, I just don't want to give it to them for free.
If you want to spend your own money for no reason other than to "stick it to the man" I guess that's your business.
They don't credit me for excess fed in over my current billing cycles usage. SO I could possibly feed it to a water heater, batteries, AC for the shop, etc..
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Originally posted by df0rster View Post
I plan to be off grid anyway like some of my neighbors are now
Last edited by Sunking; 06-12-2018, 05:23 PM.MSEE, PEComment
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Originally posted by jflorey2 View PostRight. But you will have to pay more to not give it to them for free, since you have to integrate a current sensor upstream of the inverter.
If you want to spend your own money for no reason other than to "stick it to the man" I guess that's your business.
You can do that without grid zero. In fact you can do that by just looking at your meter.Comment
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Originally posted by df0rster View Post
I haven't checked the price for the liability policy yet with my insurance company. I am probably way high assuming about $300/year.Comment
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Originally posted by df0rster View PostNot to stick it to them, but why give it away for free if I can easily store/use the power.
It is very easy to use the power. Going to be over your consumption by 10kwhr that month? Turn on your A/C full blast for a day or so.
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Originally posted by df0rster View Post
I haven't checked the price for the liability policy yet with my insurance company. I am probably way high assuming about $300/year.
Some of the other fees did apply, but, AFAIK, no monthly costs.Comment
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Originally posted by jflorey2 View PostYou can't easily store the power. (Batteries cost $$$.)
It is very easy to use the power. Going to be over your consumption by 10kwhr that month? Turn on your A/C full blast for a day or so.Comment
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