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Originally posted by J.P.M. View Post
Once there was the Reader's Digest. Now there's U-tube.The new idiot's bible.
From this forum I took that was "impossible" to get power from a grid tie in a grid down scenario, which is not the case. You can. However, it was my misunderstanding, of course, as I didn't consider the "uninterrupted" bit. Now I know that it is possible and that it's very limited thanks to forums and youtube.Comment
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Originally posted by NothingInCommon View Post
Once there was a time you didn't know about solar and now you do and that's wonderful. It doesn't mean those of us that don't are idiots because we lookup stuff on youtube. I've learned plenty on youtube, it's an excellent resource. I'm sure there is loads of stuff on there that's BS, but I don't take anything as scripture and that includes what I find on forums.
From this forum I took that was "impossible" to get power from a grid tie in a grid down scenario, which is not the case. You can. However, it was my misunderstanding, of course, as I didn't consider the "uninterrupted" bit. Now I know that it is possible and that it's very limited thanks to forums and youtube.
eg:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okqXr7RbCDo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgEvCLJuBkg
On this forum the SMA secure power system has been discussed ad nauseam.OutBack FP1 w/ CS6P-250P http://bit.ly/1Sg5VNHComment
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While this might be more than many folks would do what I have at home is a small 800 watt 24 volt array and a small battery bank, 150 Ah @ 24 volts. We run our TV, satellite receiver and home theater components from it. Here in Avalon we average one power outage a month. Its nice to have an alternative power source which DOSEN"T go down on a regular basis.2.2kw Suntech mono, Classic 200, NEW Trace SW4024Comment
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Originally posted by ButchDeal View Post
he is saying that because the vast majority of videos on youtube related to solar are unsafe and poorly configured.
eg:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okqXr7RbCDo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgEvCLJuBkg
On this forum the SMA secure power system has been discussed ad nauseam.
Kind of a sign of the times as to what is considered knowledge or what knowledge acquisition has become and another indication and example of why we're a nation and planet in decline.
To NothinginCommon: I'm still mostly ignorant about most things, including solar and renewable energy, and getting more ignorant every day by virtue of discovering there's more that I don't know than I thought. However, based on a long time hanging around those subjects and after a career as a mechanical engineer in the energy field, IMO, most of the u-tube stuff is wasteful with respect to the use of time and assets the solar ignorant may assign to them, and more importantly, with some unknown level of possible damage to property or, more importantly, possible personal injury. Use at your own risk.
Take what you want of the above. Scrap the rest.Comment
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Originally posted by J.P.M. View PostActually, what I meant to convey is that most stuff on u-tube - solar and R.E., and most all of the rest of it - is useless other than for it's entertainment value, and not to be taken seriously. Most of its content is little more than unvetted, unfiltered and unverified attempts at ego fulfillment for folks who want more than 15 min. of fame, most of whom seem to not have the time or concern to care about the damage their half or less informed junk has the potential to do. Taking it more seriously than that and at face value is like getting all your news from a comedy show who don't know the difference between knowledge and entertainmentr.
I have see so many solar how to's that actually remind me of the red green show, I can't understand sometimes why some take it as good advice.
http://www.redgreen.com/Last edited by ButchDeal; 06-09-2017, 11:36 AM.OutBack FP1 w/ CS6P-250P http://bit.ly/1Sg5VNHComment
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Originally posted by ButchDeal View Post
I think we are in agreement on the value of most things on youtube. the shear volume of FUD makes it difficult for the uninformed to even find the few useful videos like those from reputable sources.
I have see so many solar how to's that actually remind me of the red green show, I can't understand sometimes why some take it as good advice.
You can probably pick any topic over the last century and find a way to play on people's fears to get them to "buy into" just about anything.
Something similar happened back during the dust bowl era where slick sales men got people to invest in just about anything that they thought would make it rain and help their crops.
My guess is that if a lot of people start to get sick for no good reason someone will reintroduce "snake oil" as the new medical miracle to cure what ails you.Comment
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Originally posted by SunEagle View Post
There are a lot of people that are concerned about climate and higher electric costs so they are easily swayed by very optimistic videos showing how they can either help reduce carbon or reduce their electric bills.
You can probably pick any topic over the last century and find a way to play on people's fears to get them to "buy into" just about anything.
Something similar happened back during the dust bowl era where slick sales men got people to invest in just about anything that they thought would make it rain and help their crops.
My guess is that if a lot of people start to get sick for no good reason someone will reintroduce "snake oil" as the new medical miracle to cure what ails you.Comment
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Originally posted by J.P.M. View Post
So, u-tube is the latest way for slick con men to separate fools from their money. More proof that P.T. Barnum was on to something.Comment
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I'm still not understanding this disdain for youtube. You guys speak of the solar stuff on there as this general abstraction that the audience is incapable of filtering. There are people on there filming real world home/commercial installs, thousands of them. How is it possible that the bulk of them are all full of ****? That doesn't make much sense to me. As with anything, there is good and bad you just have to look for the good and as I am learning it's easier to spot.
I respect your opinions on solar as it seems like you guys know what you are talking about, but i think the youtube hate is irrational... ahhh everyone is different.
I'm still a n00b, maybe in a couple of years i'll be poking fun of youtube and the mindless drones that can't help but soak in the disinformation.Comment
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Originally posted by NothingInCommon View PostI'm still not understanding this disdain for youtube. You guys speak of the solar stuff on there as this general abstraction that the audience is incapable of filtering. There are people on there filming real world home/commercial installs, thousands of them. How is it possible that the bulk of them are all full of ****? That doesn't make much sense to me. As with anything, there is good and bad you just have to look for the good and as I am learning it's easier to spot.
I respect your opinions on solar as it seems like you guys know what you are talking about, but i think the youtube hate is irrational... ahhh everyone is different.
I'm still a n00b, maybe in a couple of years i'll be poking fun of youtube and the mindless drones that can't help but soak in the disinformation.
Tell you what: Get all your info for everything you need from u-tube and see how you do.Last edited by J.P.M.; 06-09-2017, 11:00 PM.Comment
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Originally posted by NothingInCommon View PostI'm still not understanding this disdain for youtube. You guys speak of the solar stuff on there as this general abstraction that the audience is incapable of filtering. There are people on there filming real world home/commercial installs, thousands of them. How is it possible that the bulk of them are all full of ****? That doesn't make much sense to me. As with anything, there is good and bad you just have to look for the good and as I am learning it's easier to spot.
I respect your opinions on solar as it seems like you guys know what you are talking about, but i think the youtube hate is irrational... ahhh everyone is different.
I'm still a n00b, maybe in a couple of years i'll be poking fun of youtube and the mindless drones that can't help but soak in the disinformation.
Understanding a technology and learning all you can about it requires a little more work then what the typical person will invest their time because of the way society has turned to needing instant gratification and knowledge. It is easier for them to believe in a TV show or you tube video then to read a book.
I am not saying everything that is posted on you tube is false. I am just saying that if you can believe a video just because it looks good then you can be easily swayed into believing just about anything which can cost you or hurt you at worse.Comment
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Originally posted by NothingInCommon View PostI'm still not understanding this disdain for youtube. You guys speak of the solar stuff on there as this general abstraction that the audience is incapable of filtering. There are people on there filming real world home/commercial installs, thousands of them. How is it possible that the bulk of them are all full of ****?
In that way, it's a lot like this forum.
That doesn't make much sense to me. As with anything, there is good and bad you just have to look for the good and as I am learning it's easier to spot.
I'm still a n00b, maybe in a couple of years i'll be poking fun of youtube and the mindless drones that can't help but soak in the disinformation.
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You tube is riddled with false knowledge, inaccuracies, fakes, and in the case of solar battery projects, Looks great when everything is brand new. seldom see a follow up video on the 6 month old set up. They always have a new one and of course everything works great on a brand new battery.Comment
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Originally posted by NothingInCommon View PostI'm still not understanding this disdain for youtube.
As JPM said, like me, we are professional engineers with 40 or mores years experience, and we the crap on You Tube all the time from Millennials coming on here point yo You Tube Links. Most of them are just plain BS. Some are very funny about a guy who claims to run his car on water and his whole house on some home made panels with used car batteries. Unfortunately a lot of people believe that because they lack a basic education. They lack any critical thinking and math skills and end up believe that crrap.
Are there some good ones out there? Yes, but 90% is make believe.
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