Tesla announces "Powerwall" batteries

[Sunking]

Sure the Tesla may cost less than the other battery systems

That is not accurate, Tesla may want you to believe that, but not factual. Even top of the line FLA and AGM cost less and proven to last. Secondly as learned yesterday the $3000 and $3500 price Tesla is completely bogus, as Tesla and Solar City now say you can buy the battery outright for $7000 and no discount for quantity. That jacks up the price to $1000 - Kwh or 5 to 6 times higher than top of the line FLA.

No one was more disappointed than I was. But the way the PR was worded and illusive answers smelled of a Rat. After following Tesla and Musk for 9 years I have learned he is just a slick used car salesman who has made a fortune from Tax Payers money.

[SunEagle]

Why whoops? What it means is that Tesla and the solarcity inverter maker haven't figure out how to allow the end user to reliably operate both grid and battery simultaneously.

From pv magazine:

U.S. inverter specialist Fronius will collaborate with Tesla from the fourth quarter of the year, bundling its Symo Hybrid inverter with the Tesla Powerwall home battery to customers in Germany initially, before rolling out the package to the rest of Europe and Australia.

Now go look at Fronius Symo Hybrid inverter functionality.

Unfortunately what Tesla is doing is providing false hope to people who believe the battery will provide them enough to go through a grid outage but the amount of power a single or even 3 of those 10kWh systems will not allow you to run a lot of your appliances and AC for long or at all. Sure the Tesla may cost less than the other battery systems but it is still not cost effective at this time and price.

I still don't understand why people in Germany or Europe would decided to spend a lot of money on battery systems without thinking about getting any return on their investment or at least minimizing the cost.

[russ]

My posts are mild, and I'm just trying to be factual, or in your own words, "brutally honest".

Pardon? Delusional maybe but brutally honest or factual? Hardly!

[Sunking]

Yeah.

So 30% less DoD lets it withstand 7x more charge cycles? Really? That seems a bit high.

Are you just waking up to reality? the 7 Kw and 10 Kw are the exact same battery. The 10 year warranty is toothless and paying lip service.

[DanKegel]

I Found this comment interesting:

"The bigger Tesla battery isn't designed to go through more than about 50 charging cycles a year, according to SolarCity spokesman Jonathan Bass."

It is the same battery, just different firmware. Interesting.

Yeah.

So 30% less DoD lets it withstand 7x more charge cycles? Really? That seems a bit high.

[DanKegel]

... Don, Dan and Ian. They will do their best to discredit and censor you.

How in the world am I censoring anyone? On this board, the moderators can and do censor. Us participants can only discuss.

My posts are mild, and I'm just trying to be factual, or in your own words, "brutally honest".

Do you think my reply to http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showth...t-For-Your-Car was an attempt to discredit you?

[bberry]

Whoops........

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/video-...155540495.html

Why whoops? What it means is that Tesla and the solarcity inverter maker haven't figure out how to allow the end user to reliably operate both grid and battery simultaneously.

From pv magazine:

U.S. inverter specialist Fronius will collaborate with Tesla from the fourth quarter of the year, bundling its Symo Hybrid inverter with the Tesla Powerwall home battery to customers in Germany initially, before rolling out the package to the rest of Europe and Australia.

Now go look at Fronius Symo Hybrid inverter functionality.

[Sunking]

Whoops........

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/video-...155540495.html

Wonder where you might of heard that before? Certainly not anyone with 3 letter names like Don, Dan and Ian. They will do their best to discredit and censor you. They call it PC.

I Found this comment interesting:

The bigger Tesla battery isn't designed to go through more than about 50 charging cycles a year, according to SolarCity spokesman Jonathan Bass.

It is the same battery, just different firmware. Interesting.

[Alisobob]

Whoops........

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/video-teslas-battery-doesnt-well-155540495.html

[J.P.M.]

As for moving to California, I probably would except that real estate there is just far too expensive. It seems there are still way too many people who want to live there.

You want nice - you pay nice. So, pay your money - take your choice. It ain't called the land of fruits & nuts for nothing.

[Sunking]

As for moving to California, I probably would except that real estate there is just far too expensive. It seems there are still way too many people who want to live there.

Price is no object for you Ian or folks in CA. They can afford to import everything no matter the cost. Just so long as the smack stacks are not in the state and the trailer park crowd that comes with it.

[russ]

As for moving to California, I probably would except that real estate there is just far too expensive. It seems there are still way too many people who want to live there.

That is hard to understand - I don't even want to live in the states any more. The nanny lot running things (of either liberal or conservative orientation) make me sick. CA is definitely out for me - it was bad enough when I did live there some 45 years back.

[Ian S]

As for moving to California, I probably would except that real estate there is just far too expensive. It seems there are still way too many people who want to live there.

[Ian S]

Ian - You should move in with governor Moonbeam - your line is as good as his!

Buying power out of state is a positive thing? Only as long as the other states don't mind.

CA wants to import water from other places - that ain't gonna happen either.

So Russ, are you claiming that owning an out of state power plant confers no advantage over simply purchasing from one?

[Willy T]

Build it, they will come.