Canadian Province at the Forefront of Solar
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They'd need the Sir Adam Beck power plant even more when the solar pv arrays are quiet during the typically cloudy days. I grew up in Niagara Falls and the great lakes make for quite a lot of clouds down in Southern Ontario. If the poster above is quoting Ontario's MW of Solar, he/she is posting about the total Pmax of the arrays. If you could graph the actual output of the arrays over the course of a day (sunny or cloudy) you'd find it producing a very low amount of the consumed power in the province.PowerOne 3.6 x 2, 32 SolarWorld 255W monoComment
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Japan has no real estate left to put in solar or wind. Not even coal plants. Only two things will work there that have the energy density. Nuclear and NG. Japan has no NG supplies.
50% of the cost and time building a Nuke plant is all needless RED TAPE. Todays nuclear plants are passively safe and cannot melt down even in a disaster.MSEE, PEComment
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Japan has no real estate left to put in solar or wind. Not even coal plants. Only two things will work there that have the energy density. Nuclear and NG. Japan has no NG supplies.
50% of the cost and time building a Nuke plant is all needless RED TAPE. Todays nuclear plants are passively safe and cannot melt down even in a disaster.
BTW, did you notice the interesting activity in CA involving the bid award for the first section of the high speed rail project? (We can get back to the topic later or take it immediately to the general forum?)SunnyBoy 3000 US, 18 BP Solar 175B panels.Comment
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The board chair and staff were allowed to make "non-substantive" change to the bidding process, so after the bids had been opened, without consulting the full board, they decided to drop the first round. The winning low bid would not have made it into the second round and has a good record for screwing up other projects.
The excrement has impacted the impeller when the losing bidders found out.
There has been entirely too much political drama about the whole project before this happened.SunnyBoy 3000 US, 18 BP Solar 175B panels.Comment
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This kind of reminds me of another rail project hat happened about a decade ago in Las Vegas. Originally the city had planned on building a monorail running from the airport running right down the center of Las Vegas Blvd all the way to downtown. It would have worked.
But no the Transportation Union threw a fit and stopped it. They made the city use what was first a Private Monorail Between MGM and Bally's and extended it to the Las Vegas Convention Center going down Koval Blvd. It made the Mono Rail completely useless.MSEE, PEComment
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They'd need the Sir Adam Beck power plant even more when the solar pv arrays are quiet during the typically cloudy days. I grew up in Niagara Falls and the great lakes make for quite a lot of clouds down in Southern Ontario. If the poster above is quoting Ontario's MW of Solar, he/she is posting about the total Pmax of the arrays. If you could graph the actual output of the arrays over the course of a day (sunny or cloudy) you'd find it producing a very low amount of the consumed power in the province.
That was my point,in terms of the cost paid by the rate payer, which is what irks Russ. The actual amount of power provided by solar is so small as to be insignificant on the bill. We are no where near California or Germany.
I first quoted installed capacity because that is what the govt here uses for its benchmarks. Power output is determined in 5 minute intervals and gas peakers are throttled up or down as needed by the system regulator. NUC plants don't change much in output and in this province anyway, after 40 years they are getting very expensive retubing (hence my garbage comment) which means that the cost of power provided by the NUC operators is never as low as they initially say it will be.Comment
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Yep - Expensive nuclear power!
I remember being in Portland, Oregon when they were building the Trojan nuclear plant. Greens and others whining about the cost among other things.
I also remember being back there years later when it was being decommissioned - the same bunches were crying because that was now the cheapest power (other than hydro) on the grid was being decommissioned.
If one understands costing of an operating plant, the capital cost is paid off somewhere over the years. Then the maintenance and operating costs are the only charges. Mike's comments about cost show a total lack of understanding about business and investment.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Comment
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Yep - Expensive nuclear power!
I remember being in Portland, Oregon when they were building the Trojan nuclear plant. Greens and others whining about the cost among other things.
I also remember being back there years later when it was being decommissioned - the same bunches were crying because that was now the cheapest power (other than hydro) on the grid was being decommissioned.
If one understands costing of an operating plant, the capital cost is paid off somewhere over the years. Then the maintenance and operating costs are the only charges. Mike's comments about cost show a total lack of understanding about business and investment.
I am not a rabid greenie as you might imagine and I am not against NUCs if they will be truthful about all the costs. In Canada the power plants use tax payers money to build the plants, re-tube them if needed AND in one way or another, the tax payer has paid to develop the technology (both here and in the US, and everywhere else, IFAIK). Most of the plants need major work after 25-40 years and my taxes help pay for it.
I have a vested interest in having power that is created in the best interest of my kids and their kids, not just current electricity cost, and I do understand the business end of power and investment which is why I am in this business.Comment
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Greens can help out the nuclear folks. Here's how.
Keep beating the drump to start Nuclear Fuel recycling programs like they have in Europe. There is NO need to store them in Yucca Mtn. (not Cheyenne Mtn - that's where NoRAD operationos is - they don't want extra radiation there "at all costs" )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheyenne_mountain
Sorry. Too easy to be sarcastic when it comes to the obvious.Comment
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A recent article points to Canada as a model for American energy and environmental policy. According to a piece published in Yale Environment 360, Ontario has shut down nearly every coal-fired plant, a final step in a plan laid out back in 2003."The decade-long process to replace a quarter of the province's electrical generating capacity with new plants fueled by natural gas and renewable energy sources represents one of the most ambitious low-carbon generating strategies in the world." The shift away from coal-fired power plants has lead to legislation including "...feed-in tariff provisions, modeled after similar programs in Denmark and Germany, which offered 20-year contracts to purchase wind, solar, biomass and biogas-fueled electricity from producers at generous prices."
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