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  • Mike90250
    Moderator
    • May 2009
    • 16020

    #16
    Originally posted by DanS26
    Here is the ultimate low energy freeze proof sheep waterer.....in fact it uses no energy........



    I've used this waterer for my sheep for over 10 years and never failed.
    Awesome, I like that. Now to keep the waterline feeding it from freezing.
    Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

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    • PNPmacnab
      Solar Fanatic
      • Nov 2016
      • 425

      #17
      Originally posted by bcroe

      Better do your research. Adiabatic capacitor charging might be only 50% efficient. It IS NOT MPPT,
      which can approach a theoretical limit of 100% efficiency. Bruce Roe
      I guess it is too late to get your money back for your education. As delta V gets smaller, it becomes more efficient. HWBnew65W_17ms.jpg
      Just an old image I grabbed. This is a 5% hysteresis from a test hey can be much smaller. It is adorable that you think you have any knowledge you could offer me.

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      • bcroe
        Solar Fanatic
        • Jan 2012
        • 5209

        #18
        Originally posted by PNPmacnab
        As delta V gets smaller, it becomes more efficient.
        Based on comments and a couple pics, I am going to try and define just what
        we are talking about here. If this is not it, let us see your detailed explanation.
        PVtoHeater.jpg
        Here is what I make of the discussion. The panels are allowed to charge the
        cap to the MPPT voltage. As that is slightly exceeded, the MPPT switching
        control closes the switch and allows current to flow through the water heater
        element. With heater current exceeding panel current, the capacitor voltage
        will drop slightly below MPPT and the switch will be opened. This continuous
        action will keep the cap voltage close to MPPT.

        This system I concede to be approaching the theoretically possible 100%
        efficiency of other MPPT controls such as used for charging batteries. There
        are a few practical considerations to actually making it effective.

        The control should be as close to the heater as possible. Otherwise, the wiring
        will be an antenna for interference generated by the switched current. The
        inductance of long leads could also develop severe ringing voltages. The
        resistance of the heater should be high enough to limit peak on current, or
        losses will build up in the wiring, the switch, and the cap equivalent series
        resistance.

        Not shown here is the max water temp shutdown input.

        I would not describe the above as adiabatic capacitor charging, I thought that
        was charging a cap by connecting it directly to a voltage source. The blackboard
        exercise never happens in the real world, things like resistance and inductance
        prevent a cap current pulse of infinite amplitude and zero time. Load dump
        comes to mind. Bruce Roe

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