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Maybe some of the CA POCO's do what you just mentioned but a vast majority of them provide a much different way to calculate their Net Metering values. Please try to mention that what you say may only be associated with POCO's you have dealt with and that the same does not happen across all POCO's.
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lets do a ridiculous example.
Jan to october I make an excess of 15,000kw of solar energy
Nov and december i use up all my solar produced during those 2 months and an additional 15,000kw of energy
utility reset at end of october and pays me 3 cents/w for the 15KW of solar energy generated = $450.
utility rate is 9 cents/w so I pay 15000x$.09 = $1350 for Nov & Dec.
$1350-$450 = $900 out of pocket to utility
Here's your homework. What month would one change reset date so your out of pocket = 0? I'll give you a hint it's the month with New Years Day holiday (not the lunar new year, cause I know this forum)
Last edited by SunEagle; 03-18-2021, 05:15 PM.Comment
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End of july is your best reset date because that is when your solar bank is the most negative.
YOUR WORST MONTH WOULD BE END OF FEB. loosing about 1110kw If you pay 10 cents/kw then you would loose $111 by using end of Feb.
Disclaimer, do your home work, dont' assume stuff applies to your situation and do not click on the spam links below every post that state How much do solar panels cost? or How can I get a qutoe form an Installer?
Last edited by SunEagle; 03-18-2021, 05:16 PM.Comment
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@khanh dam ,
Let me give you some perspective. Everyone who posts on this forum is a content provider. The more content we provide the more words are indexed on search engines and that results in more traffic to this site. The more words you post, the more you drive traffic to this site. Even your disclaimer is driving traffic to this site. That is how the Internet woks. Is that what you want to accomplish?
Every forum has costs of operation that need to be covered by some method. If you have a problem with how this forum is funded, pick one that has a different business model. There are plenty out there for you to choose from.Last edited by Ampster; 03-17-2021, 01:33 PM.9 kW solar, 42kWh LFP storage. EV owner since 2012Comment
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i participate in other forums. I am aware of how the internet works. I am aware of how many solar loan companies work. I am even aware of terms like "Dealer Fees" in which consumers get offered a 1.49% solar loan which costs 20% in fees which are hidden in higher fees they pay monthly. which this website perpetuates. I have quotes from solar loan companies that contacted me after I clicked on the blue links. You would be flabbergasted to learn how much solar loan companies pay for those leads. Contracts worth thousands and thousands of $$$. You do you. I will do me. you get my point.
Disclaimer, do your home work, dont' assume stuff applies to your situation and do not click on the spam links below every post that state How much do solar panels cost? or How can I get a qutoe form an Installer?
Last edited by SunEagle; 03-18-2021, 05:17 PM.Comment
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I think you forgot about the 15,000 kWh of use for Nov. and Dec. billing periods that are the first 2 billing periods of the Oct. trueup year.
For your example, and sticking with the simplifying assumptions that your usage and array production are both invariant with respect to quantity and pattern from one year to the next, AND there's no SREC's to consider:
Your Oct. trueup is for 12 billing periods, not 10.
Those immediately prior 10 billing periods plus the first two billing periods of the prior Nov. and Dec. are the 12 billing periods of your original Oct. billing period trueup year.
That year will show 15,000 kWh use for the first two billing periods of the year (Nov. and Dec.) and 15,000 kWh of excess generation for the next 10 billing periods. So, you'll net out at zero for that year.
If you change your anniversary trueup billing period to the Dec. billing period immediately following the old Oct. billing period trueup (that is, 2 billing periods) as you seem to want to do, you'll either pay $1,350 for those two billing periods at that Dec. trueup, and then start the next 12 month billing year in Jan. Or, the POCO, in its generosity, will let you kite the $1,350 until the following December's trueup and add that to that year's trueup. You would then get free use of $1,350 for 14 months as I described in my prior post, but I'd think monkeys will fly out of my butt before that happens.
If you're with one of the 3 CA I.O.U's you won't get a 2 billing period anniversary year. What you will get is a bill for Nov. and Dec. use, and the new year will start fresh in Jan. You won't get to kite $1,350. Most of the POCOs already thought of that, but in a way more thorough than you seem to have done.
Even if you could change your billing to the Dec. billing period immediately following the Oct. trueup you want to change from - and the POCO agreed to it - you would net some savings but only for a max. of 12 billing periods. For your example and your numbers, the next year would show zero net usage.
Keep embarrassing yourself by putting your slothful thinking and your lack of common sense and critical thinking skills on display and never seem to get it. You also get an "F" for not having enough self respect, common sense and effort to proofread your slop for spelling, punctuation and grammar. Most folks know not doing so doesn't help with perception and usually hurts your case. Makes you look stupid. We all make errors, but,,,,damn.
BTW, for others who may be reading this spoor, this trueup date business may wind up being no more than a moot point for the dustbin - at least and somewhat parochially for SDG & E customers and maybe/possibly for customers of PG & E and SCE as well.
I just spoke w/ SDG & E and was told that a trueup period can no longer be moved. New NEM customer trueup period will be the one under which P.T.O. was issued. In the past, existing customers could change their trueup date once, but what ever it is now, it cannot be changed.
I politely called error on that as I've changed mine years ago with the knowledge it was a one time option and haven't found where that option was rescinded, and was told I'd get either get confirmation, clarification or correction on that point within 24 - 48 hrs. When I do I'll also enquire as to whether that's specific to SDG & E or if it's the result of some CPUC action or ruling.Last edited by SunEagle; 03-18-2021, 05:17 PM.Comment
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To khanh dam and Ampster. Knock it off or take a vacation.Comment
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A> What "scam" are you talking about? Having advertisements for companies is not a scam. Having a directory of companies that do solar work and reviews of them is not a scam.Not amused you seem indifferent to the scams a website you participate in daily, and never feel the need to call it out for what it is.
B> I assume you're referring to this website - one that I note you also "participate in daily".
C> If one lead pays for the costs for this website for a year, please let me know how I can get that kind of money. Because I'm sure I can generate a lead per day for the next year and that would give me a really nice amount for retirement.
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Since the OP hasn't responded to any posts to this thread, it seems to have devolved from attempts at discussion to no more than a spleen venting vehicle.
If so, might I suggest closing it ?Comment
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ya'll might just want to tell the OP what the best month is like i did.Last edited by khanh dam; 03-18-2021, 10:25 PM.Comment
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If that is directed at me, I did - with the caveat that while most POCO rules and tariffs make all trueup billing periods equally optimal for overproducers, I also cautioned that it's best to be informed about local POCO quirks that would change that - but you apparently missed it.
Look, you misled the OP and everyone who may think you supplied correct information.
You're information and logic are incorrect but you're so far out of your knowledge depth you can't see it. So, when you got called out for the error your ego and childish outlook on the world made it easy for you to dig a hole too deep to get out of.
I suggesting closing this thread, among other reasons, to maybe help save you from making more of an ass of yourself than you already have in a rather bizarre and revelous fashion. So much for Christian charity.
BTW, on another matter for anyone else reading this who's interested, SDG & E got back to me, but I believe the answer I got to the question of being allowed to change change the trueup date with the 3 CA I.O.U.s was incorrect as was the backup documentation they supplied which was irrelevant to my question, so it's starting up the chain of command.
As they said on TV commercial breaks with news snippets in them when I was a kid, "film at 11, bulletins when they break." - I'll advise when I get an answer that makes sense.Comment
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