possible major changes to net metering (for the bad, of course)

[SunEagle]

Well, my question about the charge station delays was one that really didn't need answered but I know EVs fans are passionate. No problem. EV's just aren't ready for cross-country road trips the way I travel. I don't want some concierge (who probably expects a tip) holding my place in line and the last thing on my wish list is meeting a professional sport figure. That's like extra punishment on top of the wait time for a charge station.


Gasbuddy is a great phone app to stay current on who has fuel and the best pricing around. I use it all the time. I was driving in the 70's too but never had to do that odd/even thing.

We had the odd / even limitation in NJ when I lived there. There was also a $5 minimum limit to keep people from just topping off their tank. Of course the cost of gas was below $1 at that time.

[solar_future]

EV's make sense for most people because they are much simpler and easier to maintain and refuel because 90% of refueling will be at home for most people.

[SunEagle]

EV's make sense for most people because they are much simpler and easier to maintain and refuel because 90% of refueling will be at home for most people.

It should seem that way but until the cost of an EV comes down to what most people spend to get a used car, a lot of people will continue to drive an ICE vehicle.

Unfortunately EV's are not as available to people in a lot of states as they are in CA. Maybe sometime in the future (after I am gone) EV's will be in the majority.

[RShackleford]

It should seem that way but until the cost of an EV comes down to what most people spend to get a used car, a lot of people will continue to drive an ICE vehicle.

As I've mentioned before, we seem to be paying an outrageously low rate for charging (about $0.03/kwh). But given that, we're saving enough money on gasoline, or at least based on the price of gasoline in The Before Time, to cover a payment on a relatively inexpensive EV such as a Nissan Leaf.

Unfortunately EV's are not as available to people in a lot of states as they are in CA. Maybe sometime in the future (after I am gone) EV's will be in the majority.

Not much problem here in NC, for a Leaf and a Tesla at least. We're not exactly the most progressive state (arguably the most progressive in the South though, at least until recently), but I suppose there are worse.

[SunEagle]

As I've mentioned before, we seem to be paying an outrageously low rate for charging (about $0.03/kwh). But given that, we're saving enough money on gasoline, or at least based on the price of gasoline in The Before Time, to cover a payment on a relatively inexpensive EV such as a Nissan Leaf.



Not much problem here in NC, for a Leaf and a Tesla at least. We're not exactly the most progressive state (arguably the most progressive in the South though, at least until recently), but I suppose there are worse.

I applaud those that can afford an EV. Again unfortunately here in Fl (while the number and type of EV's are growing) they do not come close to the number of ICE vehicles available to purchase.

And with the price of gas back below $2/gal a lot of people won't consider an EV for a future car. Even I want an EV truck to replace my 2003 Tundra but at this time I can't afford any of the EV trucks on the market.

Also the cost of electricity is the same 24 hour per day at around $0.09/kwh until I use more than 1000kwh then it goes up so an EV is going to cost the same or more to charge pretty much all day for me.

[bob-n]

"...so an EV is going to cost the same or more to charge pretty much all day for me."

But power from the sun is free! (Yes, I know that's oversimplified.)

[SunEagle]

"...so an EV is going to cost the same or more to charge pretty much all day for me."

But power from the sun is free! (Yes, I know that's oversimplified.)

LOL. Yes some people can say that but then they have a large PV system that can charge an EV along with power their home.

Remember a lot of people do not work at home and do not have a place at work to charge via PV. So they just increase their electric usage a the house after they get home from work and the sun is no longer available to charge.

Some day there will be more EV charging stations at a work place or solar panels to help charge while someone is not home.

[solar_future]

"...so an EV is going to cost the same or more to charge pretty much all day for me."

But power from the sun is free! (Yes, I know that's oversimplified.)

For sure the next car I buy will be an EV. Having a gasoline powered car is giant pain, with all the oil changes and maintenance. I don't want to have to get oil changes every 10k miles or go to the station gas station every week. 99% of my trips are less than 200 miles round trip, so an EV works perfectly for me. Plus, I don't like the fact that part of the money I spend is going to support countries in the Middle East that support terrorism. EV cars are faster, safer and cheaper to operate. It's a no brainer.

[reader2580]

For sure the next car I buy will be an EV. Having a gasoline powered car is giant pain, with all the oil changes and maintenance. I don't want to have to get oil changes every 10k miles or go to the station gas station every week. 99% of my trips are less than 200 miles round trip, so an EV works perfectly for me. Plus, I don't like the fact that part of the money I spend is going to support countries in the Middle East that support terrorism. EV cars are faster, safer and cheaper to operate. It's a no brainer.

Cheaper to operate, not cheaper to buy unless you buy used.

[SunEagle]

For sure the next car I buy will be an EV. Having a gasoline powered car is giant pain, with all the oil changes and maintenance. I don't want to have to get oil changes every 10k miles or go to the station gas station every week. 99% of my trips are less than 200 miles round trip, so an EV works perfectly for me. Plus, I don't like the fact that part of the money I spend is going to support countries in the Middle East that support terrorism. EV cars are faster, safer and cheaper to operate. It's a no brainer.

Well most of the gas comes from US oil and batteries are mostly from China but if you feel an EV is going to support the US then more power to you.

[solar_future]

Well most of the gas comes from US oil and batteries are mostly from China but if you feel an EV is going to support the US then more power to you.

Most of the batteries used in US EVs come from the US. Oil is a fungible product, so decreasing demand for oil in the USA decreases oil prices around the world. Additionally, the US imports oil directly from the Middle East. Some Americans are concerned about not funding and supporting enemies of the USA.

[Mike90250]

Most of the batteries used in US EVs come from the US. ...........

Well...... The "Battery Packs" might be assembled here in US, but the cells are from foreign manufacturers. The US cannot hardly build anything. We can assemble parts together here, but cell manufacturing is mostly off shore.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4289626-look-top-5-lithium-ion-battery-manufacturers-in-2019

[SunEagle]

Most of the batteries used in US EVs come from the US. Oil is a fungible product, so decreasing demand for oil in the USA decreases oil prices around the world. Additionally, the US imports oil directly from the Middle East. Some Americans are concerned about not funding and supporting enemies of the USA.

Actually the biggest manufacturer of EV batteries is Asia not the US. As for Oil and gas prices, yes the price can be controlled by sources outside the US but the US is in the top 4 countries that export the stuff and a lot of it is used in US refineries.

But again I also believe that EV's will gain in numbers and use in the US although it may take a while and not be because of Middle East oil.

So you can believe in what you want and I will in what I want.

[solar_future]

Actually the biggest manufacturer of EV batteries is Asia not the US. As for Oil and gas prices, yes the price can be controlled by sources outside the US but the US is in the top 4 countries that export the stuff and a lot of it is used in US refineries.

But again I also believe that EV's will gain in numbers and use in the US although it may take a while and not be because of Middle East oil.

So you can believe in what you want and I will in what I want.

Tesla battery cells are now made in America and now Tesla is manufacturing their own cells. Teslas sold in the USA have the most American content of any auto manufacturer. Tesla is years ahead of foreign competitors in EV technology and manufacturing, hence why Tesla is the most valuable automaker in the world.

[SunEagle]

Tesla battery cells are now made in America and now Tesla is manufacturing their own cells. Teslas sold in the USA have the most American content of any auto manufacturer. Tesla is years ahead of foreign competitors in EV technology and manufacturing, hence why Tesla is the most valuable automaker in the world.

Actually Tesla gets their batteries from Panasonic which is a Japanese company. They assemble them in the US but the batteries are Aisian.

And Tesla needs to continue to make a profit or they will fold as an automobile company. Just saying watch out what you put all your eggs in.