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  • icebox
    Junior Member
    • Nov 2015
    • 48

    #1

    EMF radiation from inverter?

    Debating whether or not installing an inverter inside finished area of basement, or outside wall.

    I'm more concerned with the safety aspect, (EM radiation) I tried searching but couldn't find any definitive answer on this topic.

    Thoughts? Input?


    It's an SE10000 inverter.
  • organic farmer
    Solar Fanatic
    • Dec 2013
    • 663

    #2
    Do you live in a house with internal wiring?

    Where I live most homes have wiring routed inside. It would be very rare to see a home where the wiring was routed external on the outside of the house walls.

    4400w, Midnite Classic 150 charge-controller.

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    • icebox
      Junior Member
      • Nov 2015
      • 48

      #3
      Yes, internal wiring. Were you getting at something?

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      • Sunking
        Solar Fanatic
        • Feb 2010
        • 23301

        #4
        Get a Tin Foil hat. Either that or quit believing in Santa Clause, Tooth Faries and nonsense. .

        Last edited by Sunking; 03-02-2016, 06:33 PM.
        MSEE, PE

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        • organic farmer
          Solar Fanatic
          • Dec 2013
          • 663

          #5
          Originally posted by icebox
          Yes, internal wiring. Were you getting at something?

          You live inside of a home with energized wiring; exposed light bulbs, a microwave oven [with 1,000 watts of deadly microwave], plus all sorts of electric appliances.
          And likely a dozen other inverters [do you have a PC? Inverter in it's power supply], Do you have a cellphone or smart phone? How do you charge it without an inverter?

          But you are afraid of living inside a house with this inverter?

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          • icebox
            Junior Member
            • Nov 2015
            • 48

            #6
            I'm not concerned from a personal health aspect, but I keep some sensitive equipment nearby for work and hobbies.

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            • icebox
              Junior Member
              • Nov 2015
              • 48

              #7
              Originally posted by organic farmer


              You live inside of a home with energized wiring; exposed light bulbs, a microwave oven [with 1,000 watts of deadly microwave], plus all sorts of electric appliances.
              And likely a dozen other inverters [do you have a PC? Inverter in it's power supply], Do you have a cellphone or smart phone? How do you charge it without an inverter?

              But you are afraid of living inside a house with this inverter?
              Wouldn't it be a rectifier used to convert ac to dc?

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              • organic farmer
                Solar Fanatic
                • Dec 2013
                • 663

                #8
                Originally posted by icebox
                I'm not concerned from a personal health aspect, but I keep some sensitive equipment nearby for work and hobbies.
                Your sensitive equipment can not share the same building as energized wiring; exposed light bulbs, a microwave oven [with 1,000 watts of deadly microwave], electric appliances.

                Have you considered making your shop into a faraday cage? You could use kerosene lamps. So there was no need to electric wiring.
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                • icebox
                  Junior Member
                  • Nov 2015
                  • 48

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Sunking
                  Get a Tin Foil hat. Either that or quit believing in Santa Clause, Tooth Faries and nonsense. .

                  Did I insult you in any way?

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                  • inetdog
                    Super Moderator
                    • May 2012
                    • 9909

                    #10
                    Originally posted by icebox

                    Wouldn't it be a rectifier used to convert ac to dc?
                    The GTI does not convert AC to DC it converts DC to AC. As such it contains a number of fast switching elements (not sure what type of semiconductor is used). And any fast switching will generate high harmonics up into the RF range. It is a question of just how much, how well shielded the enclosure is, and how well the input and output leads are filtered.
                    A battery powered off-grid inverter will be switching very high DC amps and so is likely to generate more noise for the same output power level.
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                    • icebox
                      Junior Member
                      • Nov 2015
                      • 48

                      #11
                      Originally posted by inetdog
                      The GTI does not convert AC to DC it converts DC to AC. As such it contains a number of fast switching elements (not sure what type of semiconductor is used). And any fast switching will generate high harmonics up into the RF range. It is a question of just how much, how well shielded the enclosure is, and how well the input and output leads are filtered.
                      A battery powered off-grid inverter will be switching very high DC amps and so is likely to generate more noise for the same output power level.
                      Thanks for the input. I wouldn't go as far to create a faraday cage as some have suggested.

                      My question was aimed at organic farmer, I was not referring to an inverter, but rather a rectifier.

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                      • inetdog
                        Super Moderator
                        • May 2012
                        • 9909

                        #12
                        Originally posted by icebox

                        Thanks for the input. I wouldn't go as far to create a faraday cage as some have suggested.

                        My question was aimed at organic farmer, I was not referring to an inverter, but rather a rectifier.
                        I see that now. Most computer and other power supplies these days take the incoming 120V AC, convert it to DC with diodes into a capacitor and then invert that DC as part of a DC-DC converter that produces the actual low voltage used by the equipment. (Generally categorized as a "switching power supply" rather than an inverter.)
                        In the old days the AC went through a 60Hz transformer (lots of copper and iron) and the low ouput voltage was rectified, filtered and regulated. Not done that way much anymore except for DC welders, etc.
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                        • Sunking
                          Solar Fanatic
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 23301

                          #13
                          Originally posted by icebox
                          Did I insult you in any way?
                          I have worked with very sensitive electronic equipment for over 40 years, EMF does not affect it unless you have no clue what you are doing. If makes no difference if it is DC being converted to AC or vice versa. They all use the exact same technology with no problems. You are just simply making up a problem that does not exist. Unless you have a rather large football field size Radio Telescope. EMF from power line frequencies is of no concern. Even if you did is no problem in the labs, it is only a problem with the over head lines the utility uses. Utility is only a problem because they cannot run their phase conductors tightly coupled together. When you couple the conductors together, all EMF is cancelled out and the magnetic field collapses on itself. At power line frequencies the field cannot travel far because the frequency is too damn low to radiate. That is why you can run power lines through densely populated areas. The lines are high enough the magnetic field does not reach the ground.

                          So unless you are generating 345,000 volts with 1000 amps of current in the middle of your living room, you got nothing to worry about. If you think otherwise you need a Tin Foil Hat.
                          Last edited by Sunking; 03-02-2016, 09:01 PM.
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                          • organic farmer
                            Solar Fanatic
                            • Dec 2013
                            • 663

                            #14
                            I did a little over 20 years operating Inertial Navigation systems on subs. Extremely sensitive accelerometers monitor gravity vortexes with enough detail that we use them to navigate submarines. While remaining submerged for months at a time, we can circumnavigate the planet, while maintaining extremely precise navigation. While locked inside a steel pipe with a nuclear reactor, hundreds of nuclear warheads and lots of high power wiring. I have never heard of EMF causing interference to those accelerometers.

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                            • Sunking
                              Solar Fanatic
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 23301

                              #15
                              Originally posted by organic farmer
                              I did a little over 20 years operating Inertial Navigation systems on subs. Extremely sensitive accelerometers monitor gravity vortexes with enough detail that we use them to navigate submarines. While remaining submerged for months at a time, we can circumnavigate the planet, while maintaining extremely precise navigation. While locked inside a steel pipe with a nuclear reactor, hundreds of nuclear warheads and lots of high power wiring. I have never heard of EMF causing interference to those accelerometers.
                              Neither have I. USS La Jolla SSN-701 82-85. Sonar and Radio is never bothered either.
                              Last edited by Sunking; 03-02-2016, 09:47 PM.
                              MSEE, PE

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