LG vs Sun Power

[russ]

Bikerscum, you are leading the discussion to a different direction. Next time you jump into someone's discussion, please read whole thing first. Let's end it here.

dat - You are hung out to dry - don't start and then try to twist and turn - that said we have wasted enough on a dream.

[dat]

According to Edmunds.com, there are 16 Chevy dealers in your San Jose area. 9 BMW dealers, and 7 Lexus dealers. Are you seriously contending that the sales volume of the BWM & Lexus dealers is more than that of the Chevys? And since you're combining BMW and Lexus, why not combine Chevy & Ford? Your point after all was that there are more LUXURY cars here than non luxury.

Your argument is non-facts backed up by fiction.

Bikerscum, you are leading the discussion to a different direction. Next time you jump into someone's discussion, please read whole thing first. Let's end it here.

[Bikerscum]

Yes, I did say the Bay Area in general, and my neighborhood in particular. If you insist, why don't you count the cars (not include trucks) you see tomorrow and let us know how many Lexus, how many BMW, and how many Chevy cars you see. Do you own a Chevy car in the mean time? Be honest, then I will admit I am wrong.

According to Edmunds.com, there are 16 Chevy dealers in your San Jose area. 9 BMW dealers, and 7 Lexus dealers. Are you seriously contending that the sales volume of the BWM & Lexus dealers is more than that of the Chevys? And since you're combining BMW and Lexus, why not combine Chevy & Ford? Your point after all was that there are more LUXURY cars here than non luxury.

Your argument is non-facts backed up by fiction.

[markrogo]

And yet nearly everyone who leases a car in the Bay Area can afford it... So....

[dat]

Still blowing smoke - I am American born and raised - I just retired outside the country to get away from the nanny state and PC BS. People leasing a fancy car they can't afford is beyond silly.

Since you are a senior, I give you some respect and stop the topic here. And I agree with you, leasing a fancy car they can't afford is beyond silly.

[russ]

Russ, Why don't you admit a fact? You do not live here so you have no idea how life is in Bay Area, or San Jose in particular. People don't buy American cars as much as Japanese or German cars because of resale value. People still love American trucks but not compact or sedan cars.

Still blowing smoke - I am American born and raised - I just retired outside the country to get away from the nanny state and PC BS. People leasing a fancy car they can't afford is beyond silly.

[dat]

Just admit you are blowing smoke and move on.

Russ, Why don't you admit a fact? You do not live here so you have no idea how life is in Bay Area, or San Jose in particular. People don't buy American cars as much as Japanese or German cars because of resale value. People still love American trucks but not compact or sedan cars.

[russ]

Yes, I did say the Bay Area in general, and my neighborhood in particular. If you insist, why don't you count the cars (not include trucks) you see tomorrow and let us know how many Lexus, how many BMW, and how many Chevy cars you see. Do you own a Chevy car in the mean time? Be honest, then I will admit I am wrong.

Just admit you are blowing smoke and move on.

[dat]

First you said the Bay Area, now it's just your neighborhood. Maybe it's just your street. Again, what you said is just silly.

Yes, I did say the Bay Area in general, and my neighborhood in particular. If you insist, why don't you count the cars (not include trucks) you see tomorrow and let us know how many Lexus, how many BMW, and how many Chevy cars you see. Do you own a Chevy car in the mean time? Be honest, then I will admit I am wrong.

[Bikerscum]

You maybe right. From what I see, people are leasing cars is for tax purpose and occupation reasons. For example, real estate agents need new car every year or every 3 years if they cannot afford every year. Business owners and self-employees lease cars for tax liability reduction. I do not think that they cannot afford them. If they cannot afford them, then they should not drive them. The idea that there are more luxury cars than Chevy is not silly. In my neighborhood, I do not see any Chevy car, not a single one. I see Toyota, Honda, mini cooper, even a cheap Huyndai, but I do not see a Chevy except trucks. But the cars I see most is Lexus, then BMW and Mercedes. My neighbors even drive Telsa S, Porsche, and Hummer.

First you said the Bay Area, now it's just your neighborhood. Maybe it's just your street. Again, what you said is just silly.

[dat]

I drive MB but doesn't mean I would choose SP panels...... If I have limited roof space, then maybe I'll go with SP or LG. BTW, I choose Bosch panels and the company had left solar market for good. Can't say no to $2.84/Watt before incentives.

Just find a right appliance that works for you is the key. SMA make great inverters, and I had 2 bad ones within 10 months...haha

You made the right choice. I would do the same if I am in your position. The OP asked for opinions between LG at $3.80/w and Sunpower at $4.30/w and I said with that price, I would go with Sunpower. If others do not agree with me, that is fine. I respect their opinions. But Russ said my opinion is BS and I live in the dream world. I just want to let him know that his dream world is my real world.

[dat]

The majority of the Lexus and BMW's you see are leased, because the people that drive them can't afford to own them.

Not sure how that fits in your cost analysis scenario.

The idea that there are more of them than Chevy's is just silly.

Yes I'm in the Bay area.

You maybe right. From what I see, people are leasing cars is for tax purpose and occupation reasons. For example, real estate agents need new car every year or every 3 years if they cannot afford every year. Business owners and self-employees lease cars for tax liability reduction. I do not think that they cannot afford them. If they cannot afford them, then they should not drive them. The idea that there are more luxury cars than Chevy is not silly. In my neighborhood, I do not see any Chevy car, not a single one. I see Toyota, Honda, mini cooper, even a cheap Huyndai, but I do not see a Chevy except trucks. But the cars I see most is Lexus, then BMW and Mercedes. My neighbors even drive Telsa S, Porsche, and Hummer.

[dat]

Thank you for admiring my system.

I do not admire it - any more than I admire my solar water heater or furnace, or air conditioner or garbage disposal, or garage door opener. Like those other things, my solar electric system is an appliance, not a lifestyle. Also, my solar electric system is no way cost effective by any stretch of anyone's wild imagination for the timeframe I used, or many other reasons for that matter.

I use about 6,600 kwh/yr. of electricity. I'm way oversized until/if I get an electric vehicle. I'm betting I'll be long dead before just about any solar electric system would meet my criteria for cost effectiveness for my needs, but, and probably unlike most folks, I got what I did for other reasons having nothing to do with cost effectiveness. I also left a fairly lucrative career as a peddler, changed careers and focus, and became an engineer because of an interest in solar energy acquired in the '70's. So, don't do what I do thinking it makes sense for everyone, including you, or if you do, know I'm probably a little eccentric about my zeal for alternate energy.

Like I write once in a while, and sincerely and thoroughly mean it - pay your money, take your choice - just be aware of the consequences. I did, and I am (aware of the consequences). Perhaps one of many differences between me and the rest of the great unwashed masses is that I KNOW my solar electric choice (unlike my solar water heating choice) is not cost effective, and more to the point, I think I know why, and in what ways, and accept it for what it is without need to resort to spurious logic to back into some after the fact reasons for a non cost effective decision. Do it because you want it, but don't B.S. yourself and think it automatically makes guaranteed economic sense to people (other than me) who are truly knowledgeable in such areas.

Still, I respect your opinions and priorities even if I do not share them.

Thank you. I respect your opinions as well. Each person has a different situation therefore we think differently. In my posts, I do not say anyone is wrong or right because what maybe right in one place is wrong in the other place. I just gave out my opinion and people have to make their own decision and live with it.

[J.P.M.]

I understand your point. Sometime I would pay more for the best and be proud of it. Plus the Sunpower covers 25 years warranty for both product and performance. So at $4.30, Sunpower is 25% more than Canadian Solar, I consider that 25% as the 15 years product insurance and get the best for myself. I know you have a Sunpower system yourself and I admire your system. I wanted a Sunpower system, but I cannot justify its price over $5 per watt. For LG, I won't pay $3.8 per watt. I rather go with SolarWorld for less if you don't like Canadian Solar.

Yes, the end goal and purpose of the exercise is to lower an electric bill, but I know a lot of people (include myself) will pay extra for the owner pride and look of the system if the price is right.

Thank you for admiring my system.

I do not admire it - any more than I admire my solar water heater or furnace, or air conditioner or garbage disposal, or garage door opener. Like those other things, my solar electric system is an appliance, not a lifestyle. Also, my solar electric system is no way cost effective by any stretch of anyone's wild imagination for the timeframe I used, or many other reasons for that matter.

I use about 6,600 kWh/yr. of electricity. I'm way oversized until/if I get an electric vehicle. I'm betting I'll be long dead before just about any solar electric system would meet my criteria for cost effectiveness for my needs, but, and probably unlike most folks, I got what I did for other reasons having nothing to do with cost effectiveness. I also left a fairly lucrative career as a peddler, changed careers and focus, and became an engineer because of an interest in solar energy acquired in the '70's. So, don't do what I do thinking it makes sense for everyone, including you, or if you do, know I'm probably a little eccentric about my zeal for alternate energy.

Like I write once in a while, and sincerely and thoroughly mean it - pay your money, take your choice - just be aware of the consequences. I did, and I am (aware of the consequences). Perhaps one of many differences between me and the rest of the great unwashed masses is that I KNOW my solar electric choice (unlike my solar water heating choice) is not cost effective, and more to the point, I think I know why, and in what ways, and accept it for what it is without need to resort to spurious logic to back into some after the fact reasons for a non cost effective decision. Do it because you want it, but don't B.S. yourself and think it automatically makes guaranteed economic sense to people (other than me) who are truly knowledgeable in such areas.

Still, I respect your opinions and priorities even if I do not share them.

[silversaver]

I drive MB but doesn't mean I would choose SP panels...... If I have limited roof space, then maybe I'll go with SP or LG. BTW, I choose Bosch panels and the company had left solar market for good. Can't say no to $2.84/Watt before incentives.

Just find a right appliance that works for you is the key. SMA make great inverters, and I had 2 bad ones within 10 months...haha