Building Reserve and Using KWH

[bcroe]

Thanks for the input, the clamps found so far are in the $5 -$10 range. That is enough
to have me round up some stainless and make my own. There is quite a range of styles,
need to match mine.

Noting strain, the actual antenna IS mounted with thru holes, but there are cables (coax,
ant rotator, etc) that need to not just be left lying on the roof. They run off the roof and
down to my ground rods for lightning mitigation, before entering the house. With enough
clamps, these should not be a problem. thanks, Bruce Roe

[Ampster]

And in your best engineering judgement what areas may that be and what types of additional loads might you have in mind ? ......

I answered Bruce's question about sourcing clamps and offered some insight which others have discovered about attaching panels to seamless roofs. I think Bruce probably has enough engineering skill and knowledge about the size and location of his antennas that he can take take that conceptual information and translate it into a plan.

[J.P.M.]

Look at racking manufacturers sites or Google "standing seam roof clamps".

The initial fastening of the standing seam roof may have to be modified to accommodate any future uplift loads in areas that might have additional loads.

And in your best engineering judgement what areas may that be and what types of additional loads might you have in mind ? Your advice is so general that it's useless.
At least it's probably not dangerous.

[Ampster]

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Is anyone able to steer me to sources of those clips? ......

Look at racking manufacturers sites or Google "standing seam roof clamps".

The initial fastening of the standing seam roof may have to be modified to accommodate any future uplift loads in areas that might have additional loads. You would know what those areas are and what the loads would be based on your antenna needs.

[J.P.M.]

After a good start, it has been a lackluster solar summer here in northern IL.
The clouds are dominating, though they hardly bring us any rain. Many a day
we were reminded of the west coast forest fires by the smoke drifting through.

Despite all that, KWH reserve for winter is at least average for this date, that
high DC:AC ratio and the rest are doing their job.

Now the half century old shingle house roof is being replaced with new steel. I
read solar installations use clips that clamp onto those ridges, no holes drilled.
Is anyone able to steer me to sources of those clips? No there will not be any
panels on this house. But stuff like antennas, cable management, and safety
handles need to be on this rather slippery roof. thanks, Bruce Roe

Bruce:

Without care as to what the application looks like, I'd be skeptical of clips and in any case, I'd sure want to know about the what the wind profile and wind resulting wind loading would do to a roof even if a clip would hold.
No penetrations are nice, but wind loads are variable and non regular, and things like antennas etc, can likely present much larger resultant wind loadings to an attachment, and so to the roof than a solar array.
If the wind load transferred to the roof from the clip is large enough to cause some deflection of the steel roofing material, even a little bit, the cyclic bending could, even after a short period of time, cause metal fatigue and soon you'll be saying good bye to a no penetration roof attachment.

Just sayin'.

[bcroe]

After a good start, it has been a lackluster solar summer here in northern IL.
The clouds are dominating, though they hardly bring us any rain. Many a day
we were reminded of the west coast forest fires by the smoke drifting through.

Despite all that, KWH reserve for winter is at least average for this date, that
high DC:AC ratio and the rest are doing their job.

Now the half century old shingle house roof is being replaced with new steel. I
read solar installations use clips that clamp onto those ridges, no holes drilled.
Is anyone able to steer me to sources of those clips? No there will not be any
panels on this house. But stuff like antennas, cable management, and safety
handles need to be on this rather slippery roof. thanks, Bruce Roe

[bcroe]

3 months into this Net Metering year, my annual KWH reserve (building up for winter
heating) matches my best year ever, which I credit to an efficiency boost from the bigger
buried cable. I was actually at record levels, but recent weather has not favored solar.
And I have seen so many days running below clipping, that smoke drifting over from the
left coast seems to lose a lot more energy than similar appearing vapor.

New equipment to convert water heating to heat pump has not become available, that
problem does not yet have a favored solution. The CLIPPING METER remains an
on paper exercise. Efforts here are shifting to all the projects that were lower priority
than PV solar upgrades.

One thing I concluded after last years exercise. Underground cable additions will be
direct burial, conduit is too much trouble. And I always wondered, what happens if
water got into the conduit and froze?

Working on a future 2 sided version of my last array project. Bruce Roe

[bcroe]

May arrives, one month into a Net Metering year. Many typical April
clouds, but did manage 151KWH the last day from the 15KW inverter
plant. Kept them flat out over 10 hours, literature says 4 sun hours are
about right for this area.

After 8 years of inverter abuse, thoughts on failures were that the most likely
failure mode might be, caps filtering the switching currents gradually lose
their ability. Then the transistor switches are caused to fail. The thought is,
a scope on the cap waveform might be able to detect the degradation before
anything blows up. Replace the critical caps (like oil changes) and avoid a
more serious failure.

There are a pair of identical spare inverters here, one shelved, the other
mounted next to those operational. Just move the DC input wires, close a
breaker, and the spare could take over. What might be done, is examine
critical power circuitry, and measure filtered noise on an 8 year inverter,
switch power over to the spare, and see how they compare. If operational
cap noise starts to creep up on annual check, time to switch to standby
and replace caps?

One thing that might be built, is the CLIPPING METER. The idea is to put
a panel out there with no load to provide an open circuit voltage reference.
A quick measurement should reveal the MPPT voltage as the inverters
are approaching (but not reaching) clipping. Will need to divide that voltage
down by the number in my strings (12), to compare to a single panel. The
difference between open circuit and inverter input voltage should be a good
indication of clipping, a fairly straight line transfer function I hope. Not sure
where that display should reside, or the type of display. Bar graphs are popular
here.

Major pushes in past years have left a lot of lower priority stuff neglected,
this may be a mostly catch up year. Planning will continue, I will need to get
some of the new design in place before the time the (experimental) wood
supported array falls down. Bruce Roe

[Mike90250]

I've heard that the water drain ones, get layered up with goop pretty fast - others say they don't

I'm heard of household sized heat recovery devices, and as long as you make provisions for the system to be accessed to clean out lint, or use a furnace filter as a pre-filter, it could work

[bcroe]

Just wondered , in the quest to save precious solar energy, has anyone had
experience with drain water heat recovery devices?

Another is the ventilation heat recovery device. This house is too loose to
make good use of it generally, but perhaps it could be useful on a clothes
dryer? Bruce Roe

[peakbagger]

I just picked up a table top induction cooktop unit. I pulled a couple of knobs off my run of the mill electric range and plopped it on top of one of the calrod elements. I had enough pots and pans in my collection that works with it. I think cast iron works the best. I am impressed. Almost instant heat and very responsive. I have relearn a few ingrained cooking techniques and a careful simmer is tough as the power is on off

My cooktop is a flip up for cleaning under the elements and if I wanted to get creative I could probably cut up some sheetmetal and set two of the them flush with the old cooktop. Much more likely I will leave it the way it is. The one downside to the high end cooktop units is they do not have great long term rep for reliability and when they do break or act up, its rare they can be repaired and replacements if available are pricey.

[Ampster]

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I read of induction stove tops cooking more efficiently. But they are expensive
with far more failure potential, and apparently require a new set of utensils. The
70s electric range here has been seen to consume about 0.4 KWH a day for a
couple people, the potential improvement seems hardly worth the cost in my
situation. And the range has proved highly maintainable in the long haul.
Anyway, in the past the old range has demonstrated ability to provide extra heat,
as have my (only occasionally used) incandescent bulbs.
..

I agree with your sentiment regarding replacing an entire range just to get an induction cook top. I did replace just a cook top and the economics were different. The WAF was increased because it was easier to clean and more responsive than the old elements on the other cooktop with traditional elements. Most of our pans worked because they were either cheap stainless or clad ware which had enough iron to be excited by the induction. I don't have hard data on energy efficiency but I liked the fact that only the pan got hot and the surface of the cooktop below the pans stayed cool.

[bcroe]

The PoCo marked my 2020/21 Net Metering year as ending 30 March.
Energy generated by the inverters was 30,100 KWH, about 11% more than
was consumed. This may be a record, probably brought by considerably
more sun (less clouds) over the winter than usual. The whole month of
March actually produced more than was used. The winter sunny days were
on the cold side, so consumption went up too, how convenient.

Energy reserve from the previous summer hit a peak of about 13,500 KWH
on 1 Nov, dropped to about a low of 3000 KWH before leveling in March. A
surplus of 3034 KWH was gifted to the PoCo on 30 March trueup. Without
increased generation, I hope to soon see a slight increase in reserve with
about a 2.5% increase in energy arriving at the PoCo meter, through more
efficient local wiring for the first full year. See reserve graph.

The energy setup has continued to evolve each year. The same 15 KW inverter
plant continues in service. Energy generated has somewhat increased via better
panel placement and gradual reduction of shading (tree removal). Transmission
loss is reduced with better wiring. More efficient equipment has saved energy, but
this has been largely consumed by increasing service equipment. The standby
central furnace blower (with new motor) is run regularly so that the electronic air
filter can do its job, and summer humidity is limited.

The conversion back to all electric by now includes 6 heat pumps in 2 buildings,
a 70s electric range, and a ventless clothes dryer. Energy sights are set on
electric (or some other hybrid system) water heating, but the intended heat pumps
are not yet available. Even before PV solar here, some 60 circuits were monitored
for wasteful appliances. Many were replaced, others modified to avoid waste.
The theme continues to be efficiency (avoiding waste) along with generous KWH
generation, definitely NOT any human deprivation or discomfort. Ever in mind,
just a 1 watt vampire load wastes 8.766 KWH a year.

I read of induction stove tops cooking more efficiently. But they are expensive
with far more failure potential, and apparently require a new set of utensils. The
70s electric range here has been seen to consume about 0.4 KWH a day for a
couple people, the potential improvement seems hardly worth the cost in my
situation. And the range has proved highly maintainable in the long haul.
Anyway, in the past the old range has demonstrated ability to provide extra heat,
as have my (only occasionally used) incandescent bulbs.

In general things are running with minimal maintenance or operational attention.
The Heat Pumps are a blessing, allowing entirely comfortable temps year around
without switching around equipment, regardless of humidity. They are nearly silent.
The first winter HP demonstrated what somewhat limited capacity could do. Two
more winters have passed, and I have since doubled HP capacity to cover the
second building, and the the possibility of a really severe winter. This while
evening out temps better in the many zones, and achieving the goal that no single
failure would produce a desperate winter situation. That was always a worry in
my propane furnace era. No reset is necessary after a short outage.

My belief is that more HP capacity here just means they run less, maintaining or
even increasing overall efficiency. Some will say HPs are expensive, but cost can
be drastically cut depending on how much of the work can be done on a DIY basis.

This electric bill contains a sheet for reliability, says I was only down 110 minutes
in the last year, that was the suicidal raccoon affecting just my transformer 30 July.
99.97% reliability, guess that came off their super duper electronic net meter. I
suppose my neighbor was 100%. We are just around the country block from the
area sub station, which in turn is very few miles from the Nuke. The outage
occurred in the dark of night, no solar operation affected.

Inverters here have been fine for 8 years, I have spares just in case. No
longer pushing the already high line up another 9V at the inverters, no
need to reprogram the V monitors. The original experimental wood array
that I expected to last for 5 years (and hoped for 10) is starting to look its
age. The final array is planned, present config is lacking a second west
facing section to maximize high output hours and KWH. I could now start
putting in permanent foundations to finish. Bruce Roe

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[SunEagle]

Yes the subject of the power is worthy of mention in prayers these days. It
has been totally reliable here, and at least we are used to some -10F every
winter. If TX was mostly nuke, at least the power would be available, keeping
it distributed is another problem. Just how does a wind turbine freeze up,
too much blade ice?
Bruce (in cold, boring, but no disasters ILL) Roe

I don't know the details yet but based on how Texas was distributing primary power through wind & solar and other forms of power generation distribution was secondary. When the primary generation failed due to the snow and cold the secondary could not keep up with the demand.

I think it was too many eggs in the same basket scenario.

[Mike90250]

You use Jet-A to power the de-ice system

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