Which Controller for 1KW-Solarpanel-Array and 800Ah Batteries is the best?

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  • esu
    Junior Member
    • Sep 2013
    • 12

    #16
    > Can you tell me what size wire is between the panels and controller?

    The diameter of wire from solar panels to controller is about 2mm

    > We would need to know the panel specs manufacturer and open
    > circuit voltage and location for coldest recorded temperature.

    I try to determine this information. But at the moment it is not easy, because the panels
    are placed on the roof.

    The solar panels are installed in Cambodia.
    Here is the same temperature whole year - about 25 - 30 degree celsius.

    The system at my home looks like this:


    What is the exact difference between "Morningstar TriStar MPPT 45 Amp" and "Morningstar TriStar 45 TS-45"?
    Because I see that both controllers do almost the same, but die MPPT controller cost much more.

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    • Sunking
      Solar Fanatic
      • Feb 2010
      • 23301

      #17
      Originally posted by esu
      > The diameter of wire from solar panels to controller is about 2mm
      Sorry but I cannot help you anymore. That 2 mm diameter cable should be more like 15 mm diameter. It is not even capable of safely passing the current imposed on it. Your system is completely miss configured. Whoever did this too you is a criminal and/or clueless. Only thing you have usable is the panels, batteries, and inverter. Everything else has to go. Even if you did reconfigure with the right materials still may not work as you have not specified how much energy you need each day. Sorry but I am out of this thread and do not want any responsibility for it.

      Good luck

      SK
      MSEE, PE

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      • Naptown
        Solar Fanatic
        • Feb 2011
        • 6880

        #18
        You want the MPPT version
        That set up is a fire waiting to happen
        And not a matter of if but when.
        That is an inverter charger plugged into the wall. Is that for charging the batteries or feeding the house.
        NABCEP certified Technical Sales Professional

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        • esu
          Junior Member
          • Sep 2013
          • 12

          #19
          > That set up is a fire waiting to happen

          Buy why? What is wrong in this setup?

          > That is an inverter charger plugged into the wall.
          > Is that for charging the batteries or feeding the house.

          It is for feeding the house.
          Batteries are charging by the solarpanels.

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          • Naptown
            Solar Fanatic
            • Feb 2011
            • 6880

            #20
            It is wired wrong with wires that are way too small. Should never back feed through a receptacle as that can cause a fire.
            The only up side is you have a few components that you could perhaps sell

            To fix
            Rewire with correct size wires
            Dump that inverter or at minimum wire it to a distribution panel properly with proper over current protection.
            Bond and ground all components.
            Too long a list and difficult to explain
            NABCEP certified Technical Sales Professional

            [URL="http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showthread.php?5334-Solar-Off-Grid-Battery-Design"]http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showth...Battery-Design[/URL]

            [URL]http://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html[/URL] (Voltage drop Calculator among others)

            [URL="http://www.gaisma.com"]www.gaisma.com[/URL]

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            • esu
              Junior Member
              • Sep 2013
              • 12

              #21
              Ok, thank you for your message. But I can hardly imagine a wire of 15 mm diameter. Can someone show me an image of this wire?

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              • Sunking
                Solar Fanatic
                • Feb 2010
                • 23301

                #22
                Originally posted by Naptown

                To fix
                Rewire with correct size wires
                Dump that inverter or at minimum wire it to a distribution panel properly with proper over current protection.
                Bond and ground all components.
                Too long a list and difficult to explain
                Rich the poor guy is in Cambodia. They have no codes or knowledge of solar. As you say it is to in depth and difficult to explain. That is why I will not help any more.
                MSEE, PE

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                • esu
                  Junior Member
                  • Sep 2013
                  • 12

                  #23
                  What is the exact difference between "Morningstar TriStar MPPT 45 Amp" and "Morningstar TriStar 45 TS-45"?
                  Because I see that both controllers do almost the same, but die MPPT controller cost much more.

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                  • inetdog
                    Super Moderator
                    • May 2012
                    • 9909

                    #24
                    Originally posted by esu
                    What is the exact difference between "Morningstar TriStar MPPT 45 Amp" and "Morningstar TriStar 45 TS-45"?
                    Because I see that both controllers do almost the same, but die MPPT controller cost much more.
                    The MPPT controller can take its input at a voltage well above the charging voltage for the battery and convert it to a lower DC voltage but at higher current.
                    The other (PWM) controller cannot deliver any more current to the batteries then the panels are producing at that moment, so it will unavoidably waste some panel power.
                    SunnyBoy 3000 US, 18 BP Solar 175B panels.

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                    • SunEagle
                      Super Moderator
                      • Oct 2012
                      • 15164

                      #25
                      Originally posted by esu
                      >

                      The system at my home looks like this:
                      https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...olarsystem.jpg
                      I keep looking at this picture and I think you have your batteries improperly wired. Those batteries are all aligned the same way with the positive terminal on the right and the negative on the left.

                      The 2 batteries on the left are wired in parallel and the 2 batteries on the right are wired in parallel. The left bank positive lead is then wired to the right bank negative lead. That is not a typical circuit for a 24volt system with 4 12volt batteries.

                      Also it does look like that Inverter/Charger is back-feeding a house receptacle which is not safe.

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                      • Sunking
                        Solar Fanatic
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 23301

                        #26
                        Originally posted by SunEagle
                        I keep looking at this picture and I think you have your batteries improperly wired.
                        • No thinking about it. All you have to do is look at the Red & Black wire between inverter and Battery. Both go to Positive Battery Terminals.
                        • Now look at the two controller output cables. They should be terminated to the same place the RED and BLACK terminate which is wrong to begin with.
                        • Let's not even talk about the controller input wire size from the panels. It is so undersized and small is probale the only reason it has not caught fire already. It cannot deliver enough power to charge a flashlight.


                        ESU for the sake of God shut everything down and disconnect all wiring NOW before you burn your house down and get HELP. For Pete's Sake not even one dammed single fuse installed.
                        MSEE, PE

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                        • thastinger
                          Solar Fanatic
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 804

                          #27
                          Holy crap, I'm going to have to save this picture. Is that 14/2 house wire connecting the batteries?
                          1150W, Midnite Classic 200, Cotek PSW, 8 T-605s

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                          • SunEagle
                            Super Moderator
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 15164

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Sunking
                            • No thinking about it. All you have to do is look at the Red & Black wire between inverter and Battery. Both go to Positive Battery Terminals.
                            • Now look at the two controller output cables. They should be terminated to the same place the RED and BLACK terminate which is wrong to begin with.
                            • Let's not even talk about the controller input wire size from the panels. It is so undersized and small is probale the only reason it has not caught fire already. It cannot deliver enough power to charge a flashlight.


                            ESU for the sake of God shut everything down and disconnect all wiring NOW before you burn your house down and get HELP. For Pete's Sake not even one dammed single fuse installed.
                            I got fooled by the picture concerning the red and black inverter wires. The black is passing next to the positive terminal of the second battery but ends up on it's negative terminal.

                            The wiring is all too small and also noted the lack of fuses.

                            But the 24volt battery series/parallel wiring is just wrong. The left bank should be in series and the right bank also in series. Then those two banks should be paralleled.

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                            • Sunking
                              Solar Fanatic
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 23301

                              #29
                              Originally posted by thastinger
                              Holy crap, I'm going to have to save this picture. Is that 14/2 house wire connecting the batteries?
                              Yes technically it is called NM 14-2 wire aka ROMEX Trade Mark
                              MSEE, PE

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                              • Sunking
                                Solar Fanatic
                                • Feb 2010
                                • 23301

                                #30
                                Who Said I Am Not Nice

                                I sure hope you are not connected to the utility, because if you are and wire it up correctly, it will blow up in your face when you plug it in.ESU whoever wired your system up should be shot and has no biz touching electricity. They are trying to KILL YOU and BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN.

                                DO I MAKE MYSELF CRYSTAL CLEAR?

                                MSEE, PE

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