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  • Hello from Arizona

    getting ready to install a DIY system. I have bought the panels, inverter, optimizers so far and have a layout and design. Still looking at racking. Probably ironridge on a flat foam elastomeric roof. My biggest problem is the racking installation. I don't want to do that myself and I can't find anyone that will piecemeal an installation in Phoenix AZ. The tax credits are distorting the market here. Anyone around Phoenix AZ knows of a roofing contractor that will install the racking system for me. Don't want to violate my roof warranty or my insurance. Also looking for someone to generate my building permit package, with the politics in AZ the way they are, I really want a squeaky clean permit package to submit.

  • #2
    Originally posted by teeumup
    Don't want to violate my roof warranty or my insurance.
    Use a ground mount, and its more fun for a DIY. Bruce Roe

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    • #3
      don't have the property to do a ground mount, but I agree it would be the ideal way to do it!

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      • #4
        Have run into a complete brick wall in Arizona trying to get anyone to design and install my system where I bought the basic equipment. Guess all the money is in the equipment and not the labor. if anyone knows of a company that will provide a solar design package for a home in Arizona please let me know. I am retired and really don't have an income anymore so I don't qualify for the federal tax credits which forced me to try to do this myself. Also, I have a flat roof territorial or Santa Fe style home with high parapets so I need a custom racking system to raise the whole array just under the parapet hight. I have a code restraint that requires that my array is not seen from the street. Now of course if I had a ground array or a slope roof house then there is no restraint to have anything hidden, sort of discriminates against people with flat roof residential properties. Arizona and the local utilities are doing everything possible to keep solar out of the hands of actual citizens by making the permitting process impossible, eliminating net metering and slowly eliminating all export tariffs over the next 10 years. Shame on Arizona politicians for allowing this to happen. I guess they did not learn from Nevada's experience as they drove all solar installers out of the state and just recently are working to reverse those bad decisions.

        thanks for any help in advance

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        • #5
          "Shame on Arizona politicians for allowing this to happen. I guess they did not learn from Nevada's experience as they drove all solar installers out of the state and just recently are working to reverse those bad decisions."
          Sad, but true.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by teeumup View Post
            Have run into a complete brick wall in Arizona trying to get anyone to design and install my system where I bought the basic equipment. Guess all the money is in the equipment and not the labor. if anyone knows of a company that will provide a solar design package for a home in Arizona please let me know. I am retired and really don't have an income anymore so I don't qualify for the federal tax credits which forced me to try to do this myself. Also, I have a flat roof territorial or Santa Fe style home with high parapets so I need a custom racking system to raise the whole array just under the parapet hight. I have a code restraint that requires that my array is not seen from the street. Now of course if I had a ground array or a slope roof house then there is no restraint to have anything hidden, sort of discriminates against people with flat roof residential properties. Arizona and the local utilities are doing everything possible to keep solar out of the hands of actual citizens by making the permitting process impossible, eliminating net metering and slowly eliminating all export tariffs over the next 10 years. Shame on Arizona politicians for allowing this to happen. I guess they did not learn from Nevada's experience as they drove all solar installers out of the state and just recently are working to reverse those bad decisions.

            thanks for any help in advance
            1.) I hope you're planning on a sloped array with rows of panels. Otherwise, expect what's already low production from horizontal panels to be even lower if you don't clean a horizontal array rather often in Phoenix.

            2.) However, it sounds like what are HOA rules (and not sounding like any building code) with respect to visibility would mandate a horizontal array.

            Just wonderin'.

            3.) To be clear, you can still get a tax credit for what sounds like a system that's partially DIY, or where you're acting as your own project manager. You just won't get a tax credit for your labor.

            4.) Several AZ members may know of vendors who will install only, but I'd take a guess that the way you want to go may well not save you as much as you initially thought. Think like an installer: Would you be responsible for punching a bunch of holes in a flat roof and expect all will go well with it for as long as you'll stay in business without some pretty serious consideration of the possible liability in terms of what you'd charge someone to do such a thing ?

            If that's not the original roof, how about the roof contractor who installed the foam ?

            5.) FWIW as an opinion only, and if the postings here are representative of the usual level of knowledge, people with flat roofs usually and often need some help with understanding that they have another whole set of additional considerations, both from array performance and structural standpoints (starting with the fact of life that flat roofs and ballast type systems are usually an unworkable and bad idea) that are over and above (so to speak) the considerations of owners who put arrays on sloped roofs.

            Add: That you don't yet have an approved design probably isn't making it easier to find a contractor.
            Last edited by J.P.M.; 07-11-2018, 10:08 AM.

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            • #7
              Welcome to the forum.

              Reading your post, you have a huge stack of hurdles to jump. If it were me, I would rethink the whole going solar project. Sell what you already have and and enjoy your retirement without all the troubles you will have during and most certainly after the install.

              I had a flat roof home in Mesa for 30 years and no way would I put all those extra penetrations on a flat roof. Just the 8 mounts for my solar hot water collectors were re-sealed way too many times. I had to re-paint my ceilings from water stains over and over. When I sold the home last year, the buyer demanded the solar panels be removed.

              My home in Gilbert has a fully paid for 6.63Kw grid-tie with SRP but I got in under the old rules before they gutted the solar program. I would never install solar today under the new TOU plan that SRP and APS force all RE customers to use. The ROI point is too far away these days and electricity in Arizona is not that expensive.
              Dave W. Gilbert AZ
              6.63kW grid-tie owner

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              • #8
                Originally posted by azdave View Post
                Welcome to the forum.

                Reading your post, you have a huge stack of hurdles to jump. If it were me, I would rethink the whole going solar project. Sell what you already have and and enjoy your retirement without all the troubles you will have during and most certainly after the install.

                I had a flat roof home in Mesa for 30 years and no way would I put all those extra penetrations on a flat roof. Just the 8 mounts for my solar hot water collectors were re-sealed way too many times. I had to re-paint my ceilings from water stains over and over. When I sold the home last year, the buyer demanded the solar panels be removed.

                My home in Gilbert has a fully paid for 6.63Kw grid-tie with SRP but I got in under the old rules before they gutted the solar program. I would never install solar today under the new TOU plan that SRP and APS force all RE customers to use. The ROI point is too far away these days and electricity in Arizona is not that expensive.
                OP: re-read what Azdave has written. Hands on, 1st person, on site experience from a one who has been there, done that.

                Not raining on your parade, but from what you write, how you write it, and then reading between the lines, it sounds like you might have been unaware of what you were getting into. Sometimes things don't work out as planned. NOMB, but I'd walk away from the project, take my losses, and, as Azdave suggests, enjoy your retirement.

                Respectfully,

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