Build Design On My First Off Grid System 13KwH

[4321loco]

Not sure why would one build a 6000 acre subdivision that has no grid power at all,...Anyways this is the most intresting topic I've read in a while..

[Mike90250]

Mike he is a liar and you know it. All he has to do is provide some picture or GPS coordinates. He cannot do it because it does not exist.

I can suspect it, but i don't know it. And you can't "know" it either. I suppose I can look up his IP address, and find out if he's in downtown San Jose or posting from Hughes Net.

[Mike90250]

GPS Coordinates please. ....

Sorry. No coordinates needed. Too much at stake, I won't share my exact location, and I can't ask others to either. With a "shopping list" all made out, it's silly. I can't be sure when my caretakers will have "old betsy" out or not. (with all the pot farms and poachers in No Cal, you can't be too carefull - last month a couple of forresters in THEIR woods were shot up by pot squatters) .

[Sunking]

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Sunking - no candy for you tonight

Mike he is a liar and you know it. All he has to do is provide some picture or GPS coordinates. He cannot do it because it does not exist.

[Sunking]

What kind of rude remark is that. It is sad to see that a community about solar panels is this hostile and maybe I should indeed get lost quick.

GPS Coordinates please. A 15 KW panel and 6000 acre community can clearly be seen from space along with a refinery large enough to process enough Bio Diesel fuel for a car Proof is on your shoulders. Tick-Tick-Tick your credibility is shrinking by the second. All you got to do is PROVE IT.

[Mike90250]

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Sunking - no candy for you tonight

Solarfreak - I'm cleaning up the SHOUTING (glad this board does not have blinking fonts), but I too, would like to see what you have rigged up. If I had 11Kw of PV, I could harvest 1Kw in cloudy weather ! Do you feed it into 1 charge controller, or 4 ?

Did you build it all at once, or in sections, over time ?

[solarfreak]

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[Mike90250]

PROVE IT...
...A 48 volt @ 1000 amp hours plant cannot even supply a days worth of power you are claiming. .....

Well, my existing 400ah bank can run a household (carefully) overnight, but it will be pretty low in the AM.

My array DOES show up in the latest (Aug) Google images, and it's only 3Kw, and it will corrolate to the shop photo from on the ground.

B) Off-Grid No. Calif 3.0KW on pole mount about $80K (about what installing power lines would have cost me, and then monthly bills forever)
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<insert google map image when I arrive at a computer with more than IE6 - stupid work IT restrictions>
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Modest PV array , shop on left street names blurred out.

[Sunking]

• I have been off grid for 22 years...
• I have a subdivision of 6000 acres to back me up and I have build many of not most of the systems people use here.
• Mine is 15kw panel and currently 11kw inverter with a 1000ah 48ah battery with after 10 years performs like new.

PROVE IT...
I do not believe any of that, Show pictures of your system including panels, batteries with equipment details. or get lost . If your community is that large ( 10 square miles Utopia) you should also have Sat or airplane photos. All you have to do is give GPS coordinates of your utopia for all us to see on GOOGLE Earth. Bet a dollar you cannot do it.

Do you think we are fools? A 48 volt @ 1000 amp hours plant cannot even supply a days worth of power you are claiming. 10 years my butt... A C/3 charging current would fry the batteries in a weeks time.

[solarfreak]

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[Mike90250]

.......What do you find more effective for a fuel source? Propane, unleaded or diesel? I'm serious about purchasing the generac natural gas/propane generator.

Natural gas is cheap and clean. Also comes out of a pipe you have no control over.

Propane comes from a tank of whatever size you chose. 5 gal up to 1,000. Have to pay someone to come and fill it for you.

Diesel comes from a refinery or your own bio plant. Needs a specialized engine to run pure propane or NG. Can "fumagate" the intake with propane or natural gas to about 80%, 20% diesel needed to ignite.

Propane is my most likely survial choice. It will keep in the tank till it rusts through.

[russ]

Propane cost is a function of the chemical industry as well as the fuel market. The price can swing more than other fuels.

Diesel or petrol - depends on cost per gallon only, Diesel having something like 20% more fuel value per unit than petrol.

[russ]

I want to believe in America but I can't it's wallstreet corporate driven for profits. Even our American pv companies outsource tempered glass panels from another country. Then in the states all that is left is installing the aluminum framing.so American companies outsource the jobs anyway to other countries and CEO's and wall street are left for profits. I wish it was like the Reagan era where built in America mattered. Ever since NAFTA American products and buy American isn't American any more.

What do you find more effective for a fuel source? Propane, unleaded or diesel? I'm serious about purchasing the generac natural gas/propane generator.

Quit whining or go sit in some park freezing your backside off with the fool fleabaggers if you are so concerned. I think the protestors are all stupid or worse - beggars that are too lazy to work for what they want!

Natural gas is by far the cheapest and easiest source for a generator.

[vinniethePVtech]

No, Evergreen. I was really trying to belive in America....

I want to believe in America but I can't it's wallstreet corporate driven for profits. Even our American pv companies outsource tempered glass panels from another country. Then in the states all that is left is installing the aluminum framing.so American companies outsource the jobs anyway to other countries and CEO's and wall street are left for profits. I wish it was like the Reagan era where built in America mattered. Ever since NAFTA American products and buy American isn't American any more.

What do you find more effective for a fuel source? Propane, unleaded or diesel? I'm serious about purchasing the generac natural gas/propane generator.

[Mike90250]

Originally Posted by Sunking
Mike has about $80,000 tied up in his system which I think is only about 5 to 6 years into it that only generates about 5 to 7 Kwh per day in Southern California. He is an aerospace engineer, built the system himself. So what makes you think you can build a system with 3 times the capacity at 1/4th the cost per Kwh.

CHINESE PV?

No, Evergreen. I was really trying to belive in America....

I've designed and installed 2 systems:
A) Grid Tie, So. Calif. 4.5KW on west facing roof. about $30K
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B) Off-Grid No. Calif 3.0KW on pole mount about $80K (about what installing power lines would have cost me, and then monthly bills forever)
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It is going to be much more difficult to manage the off-grid, if any of several things go wrong, I have no power, till I crank up the genset. (and pay for fuel)