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  • Sunking
    Solar Fanatic
    • Feb 2010
    • 23301

    #16
    Originally posted by Calgirl
    Gotta be a typo......what manual?
    This one that came with your inverter. You do realize it is made for RV's and only has 120 VAC output and that it cannot run your central air conditioner or any other 240 volt equipment right?
    MSEE, PE

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    • Calgirl
      Junior Member
      • Jul 2009
      • 28

      #17
      Sunking

      No, I didn't realize that fact, but as I re-read the manual, it does make sense. It should have come to mind when I saw that it only accepts 12V input. What a dummy I am! Since the draw for the HVAC is so large, I had already ruled out using sunpower.
      What inverter do you recommend that I can use for both 120/240 should I decide to go that route? My clothes dryer and water pump are 240 too. The water pump is on the gas generater emergency circuit tho.
      We newbies are lucky to have knowledgeable people like you on this site...thanks.

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      • Mike90250
        Moderator
        • May 2009
        • 16020

        #18
        The Xantrex XW inverters handle 240V/120 split phase out of the box.

        Outback and other brands, you need 2 inverters "stacked" with a comm cable, or a 120-240 transformer (which has it's own 5% of loss 24/7)

        There may be others, but that's what I know currently.
        Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
        || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
        || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

        solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
        gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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        • Sunking
          Solar Fanatic
          • Feb 2010
          • 23301

          #19
          Calgorl you do not want to run your clothes dryer, air conditioning, or any other high wattage items on solar battery, you cannot afford it

          If you use a measly 20 Kwh per day, you are talking around $70,000 in just equipment alone, and $20,000 to 30,000 of that in batteries that have to be replaced every 5 years. Take that same $70K and invest it, and it will pay your electric bills and vacations for the rest of your life, When you pass on your benefactors will have over $100K in cash to play with.
          MSEE, PE

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          • Calgirl
            Junior Member
            • Jul 2009
            • 28

            #20
            Originally posted by Mike90250
            The Xantrex XW inverters handle 240V/120 split phase out of the box..
            Thanks Mike....I'll check 'em out.....As Sunking says, powering the big stuff with solar is not economical, however, I do want some 240 V available for a thru the wall AC in an outbuilding, some hobby machinery, etc. My main ordinary daily usage of electricity is somewhat limited...TV, a couple of CFL's, plus kitchen appliances and computer. Down the road, my friend and I are going to get a pop-up Apache to go gold prospecting. My Sunforce inverter will be great for that usage, and I can use it temporarily for my home. My HVAC unit has two fuses, one for the heater 60 amp. and the other for the AC...30 amp. Would it be feasible to split them and run the AC portion off the new inverter? You've been a great help...thanks.

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            • Mike90250
              Moderator
              • May 2009
              • 16020

              #21
              You are going to have to research the loads and inverter capacity for yourself, I settled on the XW6048, because I needed to start a 1/2 hp 240 well pump. It does do it with ease, and on the product webpage they state the starting surge it can supply for motors.
              My batteries won't run the system for long with the pump, but while the sun is out, the PV array is feeding the inverter, and doing a little bit of charging too.
              Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
              || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
              || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

              solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
              gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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              • totfcboatski
                Solar Fanatic
                • Sep 2011
                • 181

                #22
                hmmmm

                Originally posted by Sunking
                Wow I would never use more than a 1000 watt inverter on a 12 volt system, even 1000 watts is pushing it.. Do you understand the the current involved, size of wiring and breaker requirementsand voltage drop problems for that? Your two 12 volt 100 amp batteries are no where near enough capacity to operate that inverter to full power.

                I never siad you cannot use 4 12 volt batteries in parallel. I said it was not a good idea because it will just be about impossible to keep them properly equalized. You want to design so only 1 single string of batteries is required.
                Isnt 4 batteries in parrallel considered a "string"?

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                • Sunking
                  Solar Fanatic
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 23301

                  #23
                  Originally posted by totfcboatski
                  Isnt 4 batteries in parrallel considered a "string"?
                  No that would be 4 strings.
                  MSEE, PE

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