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  • Mike90250
    Moderator
    • May 2009
    • 16020

    #16
    Originally posted by bcroe
    ........ I would even skip the zener, if the cells are never connected when the motor is off. Bruce Roe
    That's a big IF One mistake, leaving the PV connected in the dark - will drain the battery. Parked in the sun between flights, might overcharge, depending on battery SoC.

    So, I'd add a schottky diode as a reverse bias prevention, and a 5w zener as overvoltage protection.
    Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

    solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
    gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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    • bcroe
      Solar Fanatic
      • Jan 2012
      • 5202

      #17
      Originally posted by Mike90250

      That's a big IF One mistake, leaving the PV connected in the dark - will drain the battery. Parked in the sun
      between flights, might overcharge, depending on battery SoC.

      So, I'd add a schottky diode as a reverse bias prevention, and a 5w zener as overvoltage protection.
      That is important. I thought the switch (or connector) connecting the battery to the motor might
      have an extra pole to connect the panels. Avoid a zener that size which needs a heat sink. Bruce

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      • cagiva
        Junior Member
        • Jul 2018
        • 7

        #18
        Originally posted by Mike90250

        I'd add a schottky diode as a reverse bias prevention, and a 5w zener as overvoltage protection.
        Mike90250, Your suggestion was right on. Ditching the charge controller and just adding the schottky diode and a 5w zener has given us the best results. One question, do you see the need to also add a capacitor to the circuit? Thanks!

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        • Mike90250
          Moderator
          • May 2009
          • 16020

          #19
          Originally posted by cagiva

          Mike90250, Your suggestion was right on. Ditching the charge controller and just adding the schottky diode and a 5w zener has given us the best results. One question, do you see the need to also add a capacitor to the circuit? Thanks!
          Great, I'm glad it worked. One thing worries me, you have a 12V zener as protection against overvoltage on a 11.1V battery, that seems to be beyond the safety margin by 1.5V or so.

          The large capacitor is not needed, unless the zener generates enough noise/hash that it interferes with the plane's radio, then a much smaller capacitor, 0.1uF / 30V ceramic disc would help.

          Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
          || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
          || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

          solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
          gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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          • cagiva
            Junior Member
            • Jul 2018
            • 7

            #20
            Mike90250, We used the 12V Zener because this battery is at 12.4V when it's fully charged. Won't a lower 11V Zener attempt to bring the battery down to 11V(10.45-11.55)?

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            • jflorey2
              Solar Fanatic
              • Aug 2015
              • 2331

              #21
              Originally posted by Mike90250
              Great, I'm glad it worked. One thing worries me, you have a 12V zener as protection against overvoltage on a 11.1V battery, that seems to be beyond the safety margin by 1.5V or so.
              If they are li-ions then they are good up to 4.2VPC, or 12.6 volts total. So a 12V zener should work OK as long as it doesn't remain connected during "normal" charging.

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              • Mike90250
                Moderator
                • May 2009
                • 16020

                #22
                OK on the zener voltage. I just wanted to be sure there was not going to be a problem
                Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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                • Mike90250
                  Moderator
                  • May 2009
                  • 16020

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Oscar
                  They should adjust and counteract one another, including boards includes weight and drag, to counterbalance that you should add push capacity to produce more lift to convey a heavier plane, to do that requires more power from the power plant...
                  Where did that come from ?

                  Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                  || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                  || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                  solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                  gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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                  • SunEagle
                    Super Moderator
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 15124

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Mike90250

                    Where did that come from ?
                    Oh snap. I deleted a few other posts by Oscar but must have missed this one. A member suggest this post and others may be cause by a "bott"

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