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Originally posted by littleharbor View PostMidnite solar breakers are inexpensive. https://www.solar-electric.com/mnepv.html They are dedicated DC breakers. DIN rail mount. Not made in China.
Square D QOU breakers. Rated for up to 48 volt DC, http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-SQUARE-D-Q...kAAOSwWBJXA99j
Square D load center http://www.homedepot.com/p/Square-D-...0SCP/100157760 Not too expensive. You need to do some fabrication to use DIN rail mount breakers
However Breakers are not meant to be used as Switches, and if you use them as Switches will weaken them, and you will get false and nuisance trips. That could be a desasterr on a parked EV for a few months to find your batteries dead from a false trip.
Just trying to give you the best functional setup and the most bang for your buck.MSEE, PEComment
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I pull my batteries when parked, so I don't have to worry about false trips.
If I'm running a 30A epever mppt, should I run a 30, 35, or 40A breaker to the batteries?
Also on the PV feed to the charge controller should I use a 10, 15, or 20A?
I'm running 2 of the 260W panels in series, here's my panel specs Yingli YGE -60 Cell Specs.jpg
ThanksLast edited by Carv; 07-18-2017, 11:28 PM.Comment
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Originally posted by Carv View PostIf I'm running a 30A epever mppt, should I run a 30, 35, or 40A breaker to the batteries?
Originally posted by Carv View PostAlso on the PV feed to the charge controller should I use a 10, 15, or 20A?
So I ask you again, Why are you putting a junction box with fuses or breakers between the panels and controller? . All you are doing is putting more eggs in basket and throwing away money. All you need is $10 worth of connectors. Unless you have 3 or more strings of panels, no OCPD is required or needed. All you have is 1 string. It is impossible for a solar panel to burn wiring up unless there are 3 or more parallel strings, they are current sources. You can short out your panels all day long facing directly into the sun and they cannot generate more than 10 amps of current. The panel Isc is 9 amps. 9 amps on a 14 AWG is normal operating current. Solar panels are current sources, not voltage like a battery.
Short your panels out, if they are in strong sun at high noon may deliver 9 amps at most. Short out your battery and you have a fire, vaporized copper exploding, and boiling hot acid spewing everywhere. Short your panels out, you can relax and go to bed. Short your batteries out, and you will be in a hospital bed recovering.Last edited by Sunking; 07-18-2017, 11:53 PM.MSEE, PEComment
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Originally posted by Sunking View Post.....
However Breakers are not meant to be used as Switches, and if you use them as Switches will weaken them, and you will get false and nuisance trips......
You must, however, have the Line and Load terminals identified and wired properly for the internal Arc Chute to work right.
http://www.midnitesolar.com/productP...Order=18&act=p
MidNite's breakers are rated to break the full rated load at the rated voltage repeatedly, with NO DAMAGE. Always use a properly sized breaker for disconnecting.
Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
|| Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
|| VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A
solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-ListerComment
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Originally posted by Carv View PostI pull my batteries when parked, so I don't have to worry about false trips.
If I'm running a 30A epever mppt, should I run a 30, 35, or 40A breaker to the batteries?
Also on the PV feed to the charge controller should I use a 10, 15, or 20A?
I'm running 2 of the 260W panels in series, here's my panel specs Yingli YGE -60 Cell Specs.jpg
Thanks2.2kw Suntech mono, Classic 200, NEW Trace SW4024Comment
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Originally posted by Mike90250 View PostActually, many of the breakers carried/sold by Midnight, ARE rated for switch duty use, I use them in combiners and both sides of the Controller as needed and for my convenience, You must, however, have the Line and Load terminals identified and wired properly for the internal Arc Chute to work right.
MSEE, PEComment
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Here is midnite solar talking about there breakers including that they are designed to be switched under load, AKA switch rated.
https://youtu.be/Mtq3cs9Gucc
Originally posted by littleharbor View PostMidnite solar breakers are inexpensive. https://www.solar-electric.com/mnepv.html They are dedicated DC breakers. DIN rail mount. Not made in China!
Thanks for the link Mike, Northern AZ sun & wind has them for $11 each, no tax, and $8 shipping so $31 out the door for 2 DC switch rated breakers, that's a good deal!
Super happy with this set up, I now have 2 DC switch rated breakers & a solid box for $43 VS the $35 I was going to spend on the wang alternatives like in the picture I posted above or the $60 I was going to spend on the blue sea 7180 resettables.
Finally a good solution that allows me to switch the incomming & outgoing feeds, have over currant protection, and all at a reasonable price., thanks again Mike!
(I will have to modify the square D box with a small DIN rail and a spacer to get the breakers faced in the box but that should be pretty easy).
Last edited by Carv; 07-22-2017, 01:11 PM.Comment
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Too bad you didn't get the MidNite Baby Box for those breakers. No modifications required.
It is required by NEC to have an overcurrent device and switch between the solar panels and controller. It is more of a convenience in my mind, since you won't ever trip the breaker, but if you plan on meeting code, you would need that breaker.
I am curious how Littleharbor has a 'new" Trace 4024? Those went out of production about ten years ago. They were great inverters though.I had a couple of them until recently.Comment
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Originally posted by rgudgel View PostI am curious how Littleharbor has a 'new" Trace 4024? Those went out of production about ten years ago. They were great inverters though.I had a couple of them until recently.2.2kw Suntech mono, Classic 200, NEW Trace SW4024Comment
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Originally posted by rgudgel View PostIt is required by NEC to have an overcurrent device and switch between the solar panels and controller. It is more of a convenience in my mind, since you won't ever trip the breaker, but if you plan on meeting code, you would need that breaker.
Requirements for disconnects depend somewhat on how the system is installed.CS6P-260P/SE3000 - http://tiny.cc/ed5ozxComment
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Originally posted by rgudgel View PostIt is required by NEC to have an overcurrent device and switch between the solar panels and controller.
2. It is an RV so NEC requirements do not apply.MSEE, PEComment
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Originally posted by rgudgel View PostToo bad you didn't get the MidNite Baby Box for those breakers. No modifications required.
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Originally posted by Carv View Post....... So for the extra $90 I saved not going that route I'll be able to get the other fuses I need and still saved some money and have the same breakers. As far as I'm concerned this is the much better alternative for those who are watching their $$$.
Remember, touch safe fuse holders are only safe to open when the current flow is stopped, either blown fuse, or manual cut off somewhere.
Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
|| Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
|| VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A
solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-ListerComment
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