15KW bat system I have an idea criticism? comments?

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  • powerplay
    Junior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 2

    #1

    15KW bat system I have an idea criticism? comments?

    Avg. Usage:
    2440 kWh/month or 29,280 KWH/year
    System Size:
    15.09 kW DC/ 11.04KW AC
    pv area:
    Up to 1900 sq ft

    ok, i plan to put together a battery bank for a stand alone system with the above usage data.
    I plan on a dedicated battery station with 4 slide out racks containing 12 2V800AH batteries. these are connected to an inverter panel for a house .
    supporting these are 20 200W solar panels divided between two stand alone tracker assemblies. These are connected through solar combiners and charge controllers. Complimenting this is a propane/lp gas converted gen set connected to the charge controller and inverter.

    I have done some of the math and i think it would work for 3 days without sun.
    What do you think?
    Last edited by powerplay; 09-13-2009, 12:19 PM. Reason: grammer and spelling corrections
  • Mike90250
    Moderator
    • May 2009
    • 16020

    #2
    I'll assume you are configuring a 48V battery system for something this large.

    You need to caculate your expected monthly harvest for your area:
    http://rredc.nrel.gov/solar/calculat...ATTS/version2/ Has a listing of the cities, you insert your array size, and angle. and it tells your your apx harvest. You can also figure if you are collecting enough in the winter months, or if you have to run your generator. You may have to have adjustable racks for winter/sumer alignment.

    Batteries - do you need batteries ? Between inverter and charger and battery losses, you only recover about 55% of your original harvest. Unless you are off-grid, or your area experiences yearly outages over 4 days long, a small, variable throttle inverter generator and 10gl of fuel is your best bet. Off grid solar is pretty expensive, with battery replacements every 7-10 yesars. A grid tie system will let you trim your electric bills.
    Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

    solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
    gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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    • powerplay
      Junior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 2

      #3
      thanks for the info

      I had figured that into my calculations, the area is along the equator with no winter and average daily sun (maximized with trackers) of 7-8 hours. Batteries are to be sourced from the manufacturers in china but what are the differences between a 24V system and a 48V system in laymens terms
      Thanks! EAW

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      • Mike90250
        Moderator
        • May 2009
        • 16020

        #4
        Originally posted by powerplay
        what are the differences between a 24V system and a 48V system in laymens terms
        A 48V system is twice the voltage, and half the current (amps)

        Say you have a 3,000w load on your inverter.
        At 24V that's 125 Amps but
        at 48V that's 62.5 Amps You can use thinner wire, which is easier to work with.

        Instead of 2 parallel banks of batteries (problems sharing loads properly). you can use a single string of batteries, with no load sharing problems.

        Less current density at each battery terminal, means less loss at each contact.
        Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
        || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
        || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

        solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
        gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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