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  • aliraj
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2012
    • 3

    #1

    which solar cell size is best. 3x6 o 6x6?

    im new in solar system, i want to make my own solar panel for home use, so my first question is wich solar cell size is best 3x6 o 6x6? normaly 3x6 have 2 busbar and 6x6 have 3 busbar, also want to know is busbar effect on solar output? Really aprciate any help
    This is really a nice forum, im here after a long search and visting many many forums,
    Thnakx
  • Naptown
    Solar Fanatic
    • Feb 2011
    • 6880

    #2
    Originally posted by aliraj
    im new in solar system, i want to make my own solar panel for home use, so my first question is wich solar cell size is best 3x6 o 6x6? normaly 3x6 have 2 busbar and 6x6 have 3 busbar, also want to know is busbar effect on solar output? Really aprciate any help
    This is really a nice forum, im here after a long search and visting many many forums,
    Thnakx
    Depends on how much power you want to get out of it. A 6x6 will produce twice the power of a 3x6.
    The decision is more a function of power you want, desired voltage, and panel size.
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    • aliraj
      Junior Member
      • Jun 2012
      • 3

      #3
      Originally posted by Naptown
      Depends on how much power you want to get out of it. A 6x6 will produce twice the power of a 3x6.
      The decision is more a function of power you want, desired voltage, and panel size.
      Really thankx for a quick reply, actually im planing to make a 5kv solar energy system with grid on, for 5 kv how much solar cells i need, in this case i think 6x6 are best?

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      • Sunking
        Solar Fanatic
        • Feb 2010
        • 23301

        #4
        As Rich correctly points out a 6 x 6 cells has twice the current density, thus twice the power density. If you take the larger 6x6 cells and put x number of them in a frame, then make two panels with 3x3 cells of equal number of cells the power of the 6 x 6 will equal the power of the 2-3x3 cell frames. However the 2-3x3 frames will occupy more square area then the single 6x6 cell frame. It comes down to power density.
        MSEE, PE

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        • Naptown
          Solar Fanatic
          • Feb 2011
          • 6880

          #5
          Originally posted by aliraj
          Really thankx for a quick reply, actually im planing to make a 5kv solar energy system with grid on, for 5 kv how much solar cells i need, in this case i think 6x6 are best?
          I assume you are not in the USA but 5KW of home built panels are not worth it anywhere.
          By the time you purchase materials and assemble you can generally buy production panels that will cost less, perform better, last 5-10 times longer and are certified for use on your home.
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          • Sunking
            Solar Fanatic
            • Feb 2010
            • 23301

            #6
            Originally posted by aliraj
            Really thankx for a quick reply, actually im planing to make a 5kv solar energy system with grid on, for 5 kv how much solar cells i need, in this case i think 6x6 are best?
            I hope you are not in the USA because you are wasting your time and money. Here in the USA you will not be allowed to make you own panels and connect to the commercial grid. You would not even be able to pull the building permit without listed panels and equipment.
            MSEE, PE

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            • Mike90250
              Moderator
              • May 2009
              • 16020

              #7
              Originally posted by aliraj
              Really thankx for a quick reply, actually im planing to make a 5kv solar energy system with grid on, for 5 kv how much solar cells i need, in this case i think 6x6 are best?


              DIY panels will never be allowed for grid connection, or attached or connected to any insured stru ture. Sorry. They are fine for test and research.
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              || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
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              • aliraj
                Junior Member
                • Jun 2012
                • 3

                #8
                Thankx for your good information, so what im doing wrong, why DIY pannels are not allowed? what is wrong with them? what is the security risk? and what is nice way to do this job?, im planing this project for thar area that have electricity only for few hours in 24 hours, and temprature is now a days like 45 c o more, so what is your segustion, i really ariciating this forum n your kind help
                Thankx

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                • Naptown
                  Solar Fanatic
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 6880

                  #9
                  Originally posted by aliraj
                  Thankx for your good information, so what im doing wrong, why DIY pannels are not allowed? what is wrong with them? what is the security risk? and what is nice way to do this job?, im planing this project for thar area that have electricity only for few hours in 24 hours, and temprature is now a days like 45 c o more, so what is your segustion, i really ariciating this forum n your kind help
                  Thankx
                  DIY panels have been known to cause fires and can create other hazards as well.
                  If you have power for a few hours a day (Pakistan?) you would be better off investing in a large battery bank and a grid charger with a transfer switch to power critical loads during the outages.
                  Unless you have a large amount of money A/C will be out of the question during an outage.
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                  • Sunking
                    Solar Fanatic
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 23301

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Naptown
                    If you have power for a few hours a day (Pakistan?) you would be better off investing in a large battery bank and a grid charger with a transfer switch to power critical loads during the outages.
                    Unless you have a large amount of money A/C will be out of the question during an outage.
                    Rich I agree but I get the impression he will not even be able to afford the bateries. The other alternative is a generator but I have doubts he could afford that either.
                    MSEE, PE

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                    • Mike90250
                      Moderator
                      • May 2009
                      • 16020

                      #11
                      There are several major safety issues with DIY (do - it - yourself ) homebuilt solar panels.

                      1) Moisture ingress. There are few affordable vapor tight sealants for solar panels, and most of those need vacuum lamination to be sucessfull for more than a year or two. Plastic, epoxy, silicone sealer, paint and wood leak water vapor.

                      2) Panel Hi-Pot resistance. Hi-Pot is a electronics term, relating to high voltage insulation resistance / leakage. No real issues with a single 12V panel. But putting panels in parallel or series, increases the stress they see, and you can come home to a burning panel. As moisture builds, this gets worse!

                      3) Most, if not all, bare cells sold on the internet, are "floor sweepings" or reject cells. There are several tests done to cells before they are mounted in a panel. Consumers do not have any way to verify these paramaters. You just find a burned up panel one day.

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                      || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                      || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

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                      • axis11
                        Solar Fanatic
                        • Mar 2011
                        • 237

                        #12
                        OP, if you devote all of your time in making 5kw diy panel, you might be able to finish soldering in 3 months if you are good at it.Lucky if you could make 5kw worth of panels in a year. Try to make a panel or two and see how it goes before you start buying in bulk. The fun part is, before you complete assembling all the panels, those made earlier already starts to fail.

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                        • conntaxman
                          Solar Fanatic
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 133

                          #13
                          which solar cell is best. 3x6 o 6x6

                          Originally posted by aliraj
                          im new in solar system, i want to make my own solar panel for home use, so my first question is wich solar cell size is best 3x6 o 6x6? normaly 3x6 have 2 busbar and 6x6 have 3 busbar, also want to know is busbar effect on solar output? Really aprciate any help
                          This is really a nice forum, im here after a long search and visting many many forums,
                          Thnakx
                          .
                          the 2 different cells are almost about the same.

                          6x6 solar cell
                          Average Power (Watts): 4.1 Wp

                          ²Average Current (Amps): 8 Imax

                          ²Average Voltage (Volts): 0.5 Vmax
                          ..........
                          3x6 solar cell
                          Average Power (Watts): 1.8 Wp

                          ²Average Current (Amps):3.6 Imax

                          ²Average Voltage (Volts): 0.5 Vmax
                          Now you would also have to look at the COST of Each different cell.
                          the 3x6 cells i get for about $0 .45 cents each. 6x6 are over $1.85
                          so im saving $0.95 cents to get about the same power.
                          Good luck and have fun,

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                          • inetdog
                            Super Moderator
                            • May 2012
                            • 9909

                            #14
                            Originally posted by conntaxman
                            Now you would also have to look at the COST of Each different cell.
                            the 3x6 cells i get for about $0 .45 cents each. 6x6 are over $1.85
                            so im saving $0.95 cents to get about the same power.
                            Good luck and have fun,
                            On the other hand, if you use twice as many 3x6 cells, you will have 4 tab connections to solder per pair versus 3 for the single cell, assuming that you will parallel two 3x6 strings at some point.
                            You will have more potential failure points with 3x6, and a three tab cell with one bad joint will work better than a two tab cell with one bad joint.

                            Whether this makes a difference for you depends on how you value your time and how reliable you want the result to be.
                            SunnyBoy 3000 US, 18 BP Solar 175B panels.

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                            • conntaxman
                              Solar Fanatic
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 133

                              #15
                              which solar cell is best. 3x6 o 6x6

                              Originally posted by inetdog
                              On the other hand, if you use twice as many 3x6 cells, you will have 4 tab connections to solder per pair versus 3 for the single cell, assuming that you will parallel two 3x6 strings at some point.
                              You will have more potential failure points with 3x6, and a three tab cell with one bad joint will work better than a two tab cell with one bad joint.

                              Whether this makes a difference for you depends on how you value your time and how reliable you want the result to be.
                              .
                              I was trying to show JUST the output Mostly, of the two different cells. Their about the same.
                              You forgot the solder and the solder paste for the joints. oh what about the glass area? I think it should come out the same! oh lets see some other LITTLE pointers, Hummm
                              why don't you give the person CREDIT of the DIY project.
                              tell them NOT to use Wood,plastic,fiber-glass resin ETC.
                              the truth is , that solar OR WIND is NOT THE WAY TO GO TO " SAVE MONEY

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