Indiana Senate Bill 309

[J.P.M.]

Still looks to me like clarification of a lot of terms, etc. is necessary. Until then, and until such info comes from an authoritative source, seems like a lot of conjecture about what it all means.

Dan S.: Any chance anyone in IN besides you, and including legislators might be able to read this thread ?

[jflorey2]

(4) interconnected and operated in parallel with the electricity supplier's facilities in accordance with the commission's approved interconnection standards.

Read together it means all distributed generation, whether that generation touches the grid or not.

Those two things don't go together. If it is operated in parallel with the grid, and meets interconnect standards, then the above applies. If it does not operate in parallel, then that section does not apply, and it's not distributed generation.

[SunEagle]

This is the article I read concerning the Indiana bill. It did not mention the part that everything you generate they could take from you.

Although reading the info on what DanS26 posted makes me wonder exactly what will be passed or not.

[DanS26]

The utility interests are very short sighted in using this approach. They are going to alienate most people. Grid tie is a good thing.....you do not want to drive people away from the grid.....but that is what they are doing. We are just a short technology breakthrough away from allowing a lot of people to live grid free.

It just does not make sense to me that the utility interests want to drive people away from their product. I guess if you are a monopoly then you think that way.

[DanS26]

Well this is farcical. It will end up being challenged in court, Last time I checked its not the governments role to legislate theft from private citizens. It will end up being a lawyers picnic.

Pete, If this bill passes then I do expect it to be challenged in court. It appears that the special interests in this case are willing to take that risk. Why else would they purposely confiscate private property without adequate compensation?

The good people of Indiana just do not know that this theft is about to occur.......but they will be riled up once they understand.

[solar pete]

Well this is farcical. It will end up being challenged in court, Last time I checked its not the governments role to legislate theft from private citizens. It will end up being a lawyers picnic.

[Mike90250]

Here's the language describing "distributed generation"........

Sec. 3. (a) As used in this chapter, "distributed generation" means electricity produced by a generator or other device that is:

(1) located on the customer's premises;
(2) owned by the customer;
(3) sized at a nameplate capacity of the lesser of:
(A) not more than one (1) megawatt; or
(B) the customer's average annual consumption of energy on the premises; and
(4) interconnected and operated in parallel with the electricity supplier's facilities in accordance with the commission's approved interconnection standards.


Read together it means all distributed generation, whether that generation touches the grid or not.

Killjoy.

[DanS26]

Everyone....just read this.....Indiana maybe first with this type of utility push back, but this proposal is coming to a state near you. This is just the beginning......


http://iga.in.gov/legislative/2017/bills/senate/309#

[DanS26]

reads to me, that it has to be Distributed to the Grid, Does not say all local production

Here's the language describing "distributed generation"........

Sec. 3. (a) As used in this chapter, "distributed generation" means electricity produced by a generator or other device that is:

(1) located on the customer's premises;
(2) owned by the customer;
(3) sized at a nameplate capacity of the lesser of:
(A) not more than one (1) megawatt; or
(B) the customer's average annual consumption of energy on the premises; and
(4) interconnected and operated in parallel with the electricity supplier's facilities in accordance with the commission's approved interconnection standards.


Read together it means all distributed generation, whether that generation touches the grid or not.

[Mike90250]

distributed generation produced by the customer

reads to me, that it has to be Distributed to the Grid, Does not say all local production

[J.P.M.]

Here is the language in the bill that is offensive......


" 15. To ensure that a customer is properly charged for the costs of the electricity delivery system through which an electricity supplier provides retail electric service to the customer:

(1) all distributed generation produced by the customer shall be purchased by the electricity supplier at the rate approved by the commission under section 13 of this chapter; and

(2) all electricity consumed by the customer at the premises shall be considered electricity supplied by the electricity supplier and is subject to the applicable retail rate schedule."


I interpret that language as confiscation of private property without adequate compensation.

I'd suggest the wording may need a bit of work, or some definitions of terms need to be supplied.

[DanS26]

Here is the language in the bill that is offensive......


" 15. To ensure that a customer is properly charged for the costs of the electricity delivery system through which an electricity supplier provides retail electric service to the customer:

(1) all distributed generation produced by the customer shall be purchased by the electricity supplier at the rate approved by the commission under section 13 of this chapter; and

(2) all electricity consumed by the customer at the premises shall be considered electricity supplied by the electricity supplier and is subject to the applicable retail rate schedule."


I interpret that language as confiscation of private property without adequate compensation.

[DanS26]

There is still a world of difference among net metering, metering with separate net buy and net sell meter counters at different rates and "buy all, sell all".
Which will it end up being?

Section 15 (1) and (2) are still in the bill as written. That section is the "buy all, sell all" provision.

[inetdog]

I am not sure what the total bill said but what I did read was that people can still sell their kWh produce at the same price they started and will be locked in for at least a decade.

I think the idea was to phase out the net metering payments after X years but not shut them down immediately.

There is still a world of difference among net metering, metering with separate net buy and net sell meter counters at different rates and "buy all, sell all".
Which will it end up being?

[SunEagle]

So does that mean this "sell all/ buy all" rubbish was removed from the bill? I know I should go read it, cheers.

I am not sure what the total bill said but what I did read was that people can still sell their kWh produce at the same price they started and will be locked in for at least a decade.

I think the idea was to phase out the net metering payments after X years but not shut them down immediately.