Duel fuel Hybrid heatpump?

[DanS26]

The OP is burning 800 gal a year. He is the poster boy to buy a 1000 gal tank. As most of you know a 1,000 tank only holds 800 gal of propane. Fill once a year during summer fill rates.

If he can do some conservation and only burn 600 to 700 gal he has a reserve to make it to summer even after a hard winter.

If he has a propane water heater, I suggest he install a Nyle system to use up some of that banked kWh. (use a timer)

Replace the propane clothes dryer with electric, same with the oven and cooktop.

Buy an EV.

[russ]

Spot price plus.

1 - 200 gal. + $2.05 per gal.
201 - 400 gal. + $1.20 per gal.
401 - 700 gal. + $ .65 per gal.
701 - 1500 gal. + $ .55 per gal.
1501 - 2999 gal. + $ .35 per gal.
3000 gal. +. + $ .35 per gal.


I'm also guessing if I could get my use down to around 400 gallons I could get my 500 gallon tank filled up once in the summer. Which I already do but then I get it filled up again sometime around Christmas or New Year's and then again and February or March

Get a 3000 gallon tank - that is far cheaper than anything else.

[Mb190e]

I already own my own 500 gallon propane tank. I bought it and had it installed underground when we bought the house. I wanted to go with the 1000 gallon tank but the price was almost double the 500 which was already $2200. I agree the leasing companies are far worse and you're stuck buying propane from them. The leasing companies always seem to deliver propane when the price is the highest. I am a will call customer. I can buy it from whoever I want, the co-op just happens to be the cheapest. I have a propane hot water heater, thought about getting a heatpump hybrid hot water heater, I think that has the least amount of payback. I already have a electric cooktop and electric clothes dryer. Although I have recently started using a clothesline after the solar panels were installed which is reduced our use some. Thanks for all the replies this is a very interesting discussion.

[Mb190e]

The OP is burning 800 gal a year. He is the poster boy to buy a 1000 gal tank. As most of you know a 1,000 tank only holds 800 gal of propane. Fill once a year during summer fill rates.

If he can do some conservation and only burn 600 to 700 gal he has a reserve to make it to summer even after a hard winter.

If he has a propane water heater, I suggest he install a Nyle system to use up some of that banked kWh. (use a timer)

Replace the propane clothes dryer with electric, same with the oven and cooktop.

Buy an EV.

I just looked up the Nile system that's perfect for the hot water heater without buying a whole new unit.

[Mb190e]

Okay I have some people coming this week to give me a quote on a hybrid heatpump. We'll see if this is going to be a cost-effective option.

[DanS26]

I just looked up the Nile system that's perfect for the hot water heater without buying a whole new unit.

The Nyle is also rated a 1 ton AC. I connected my Nyle to my cold air duct system. It works great. Not so good in cold weather but in spring summer and fall it can't be beat.

[Mb190e]

I received a couple quotes for the heat pump/air-conditioner still waiting on a couple more one is for a Train 3 ton 13 seer $4900 installed and the other is a carrier 3ton 13 seer for $4100 installed. Both of these quotes include line set, coil and thermostat.

[Willy T]

Sounds like 2 good quotes. Both are quality units. I don't know your house, but the thermostat selection may give you some options to use remote sensors to keep the rooms more balanced. I had one central location that created a lag in both heating and cooling and with remote it stays more balanced and runs less.

[russ]

A SEER of 13 isn't very high.

[Willy T]

A SEER of 13 isn't very high.

Your right, but when you have a bunch of KWH to dump and it fits your budget, it might beat paying a premium price. In my case they wanted $1,000 more for each step up in efficiency that I would never get my $$ back on.

15 seer cost $1,000 more but saves $8/month, in one year = $96/yr

Where he lives he might save more, Seer ratings are like mpg on autos. Kinda depends on how much you drive to calculate savings.

This will do the savings.

http://www.hvacopcost.com/

[russ]

Your right, but when you have a bunch of KWH to dump and it fits your budget, it might beat paying a premium price.

Just be aware that one is locking in a price/cost for a long time to come.

[Mb190e]

I wanted to get a 16 seer unit but, the guy that I'm talking to right now, says anything above the 13 is going to be a waste of money because I only have a single stage blower on my furnace.

[Willy T]

I wanted to get a 16 seer unit but, the guy that I'm talking to right now, says anything above the 13 is going to be a waste of money because I only have a single stage blower on my furnace.

There you go, there is so much that goes into the SEER rating that people do not understand. It's like tuning a race car to make one qualifying lap. Then comes the efficiency loss after the first few year's with oil transfer on the internal exchange surfaces on the coils and a lot of the ratings go away. The first 7 minutes of the on cycle will be the same on with the same compressor system, after that the higher SEER unit will start save some ( on a 10 minute cycle you save for 3 minutes ). If the unit cycles often you will never see any savings. Since you have to buy in 1/2 ton increments you end up with to large a unit or to small ( small can be ok, more savings to a point, if it runs to long you lose because of heat gain ). The ducting and back pressure on the system is important also.

[Mb190e]

Okay getting the new carrier 13 seer AC/Heatpump installed in a couple weeks $4000 for everything except the indoor thermostat. I have already purchased and installed a Nest capable of doing 2 heat 1 cool. We'll see how it goes come October, November.

[bcroe]

Heat pump

Okay getting the new carrier 13 seer AC/Heatpump
installed in a couple weeks $4000 for everything except the indoor thermostat.
I have already purchased and installed a Nest capable of doing 2 heat 1 cool.
We'll see how it goes come October, November.

That is what I am negotiating for here. I don't follow the issue of the blower, even
it its that important, could you change the pulley? My last 2 high efficiency furnaces
have multi speed direct drive motors. My plan is have a separate thermostat for
the unit, with a blower signal going over to my propane furnace setup. The propane
is my backup for outages; otherwise do zone electric when it is too cold for an air
to air heat pump. Bruce Roe