Piping design when two parallel storage tanks used to preheat water.

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  • LAWindsurfer
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    Impact of solar on gas consumption took water use into account.

    Attached chart shows that water use and gas consumption does not appear correlated. Solar installed December 2010. Unknown if gas consumption goes up in the winter because people take hotter showers or because of increased losses in (insulated) hot water circulation line. Hot water circulation line is heated by gas since it circulates the water in the gas fired water tank. Hot water circulation pump is controlled by sensor on return line except during morning and evening "rush" hours. Pump runs when water at return point drops below 110 oF and turns on when temp rises above 112 oF.

    It seems to me that the reverse parallel connection would only make a big difference if the plumbing between the tanks obstructed the solar water flow by an amount comparable to the obstruction represented by the heat exchanger coils.

    I'm in the process of instrumenting the configuration with max/min thermometers to see if all of the pre-heated water is used up during the night.
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    Last edited by LAWindsurfer; 03-20-2012, 02:58 PM. Reason: left out installation date

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  • Naptown
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    Originally posted by LucMan
    The parallel piping may give higher efficiencies if you are happy with just preheating.
    I like series piping, that way at least 1 tank may reach usable temperature before it feeds through the gas fired heater. Refer to page 20 for collector piping in the attached PDF. A flow meter would help to know how many GPD you are dealing with. How many sq ft of panels, how many gal. are the preheat tanks.
    isn't efficiency in so far as gaining the most BTU per day what it is all about

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  • LucMan
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    The parallel piping may give higher efficiencies if you are happy with just preheating.
    I like series piping, that way at least 1 tank may reach usable temperature before it feeds through the gas fired heater. Refer to page 20 for collector piping in the attached PDF. A flow meter would help to know how many GPD you are dealing with. How many sq ft of panels, how many gal. are the preheat tanks.
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  • Naptown
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    Originally posted by LAWindsurfer
    Diagram attached

    What is meant by "parallel reverse?"

    Effectiveness of solar hot water heating is being judged by comparing cu.ft. of gas consumption (with correction for BTU content) for three years prior to installation with gas consumption over most recent year.
    Look carefully at how this is piped if indeed it is piped this way most of the heat is being put into the tank on the left and most of the water is being drawn out of the tank on the right.

    The tanks and heat exchanger should be plumbed like this
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  • tandrews
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    Looks like there might not be much differential temp recorded between outlet of panels and the comparative temp for pump control.
    If your cold differential measure is indeed where it appears, you may not be cycling through the entire panels contents.
    I would expect it placed prior to the pump on the heat exchanger output feed to panels.

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  • russ
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    Without knowing the actual water consumption all is a shot in the dark. A water meter in the cold water line to the system would tell you that. The gas consumption may well be telling you that one tenant likes hot water.

    Balancing flow to the two tanks with the exchangers - how is it done?

    Any idea of water temperature out of each tank with exchangers?

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  • LAWindsurfer
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    Diagram of two parallel storage tanks attached.

    Diagram attached

    What is meant by "parallel reverse?"

    Effectiveness of solar hot water heating is being judged by comparing cu.ft. of gas consumption (with correction for BTU content) for three years prior to installation with gas consumption over most recent year.
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  • Art VanDelay
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    Warranty?

    It actually sounds like the design and piping are probably OK.

    What does the original installer tell you?

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  • Naptown
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    Can you sketch how things are piped?
    First things first did you meter the hot water to see what the actual use is?
    Solar Hot water is a use it or lose it system. You could be producing more than required or the amount of water being used is lower than anticipated.
    Post the sketch with how things are piped.
    Generally heat exchangers plumbed in parallel reverse will give the best output. In series one tank gets more heat than the other. If the tanks are not plumbed properly there may be more flow through one than the other which would also diminish the output.
    Pictures work too if that's easier

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  • Piping design when two parallel storage tanks used to preheat water.

    A solar hot water heating system installed about a year ago in a ten unit apartment building has not yielded the anticipated reduction in energy consumption. The system has three tanks, two with heat exchangers to preheat the water, and a 100 gallon, 199,000 BTU/hour gas-fired tank to boost the temperature as required. Two preheat tanks were installed in parallel to insure an adequate flow rate; space constraints prevented the installation of a single large tank. The 1.5 inch diameter outputs of each pre-heat tank are combined to feed the 2.0 inch diameter input of the gas-fired temperature boost tank before the water is fed to the building.

    The solar panel fluid is circulated in a separate closed system with a drain-back tank. Currently, the solar panel fluid is similarly divided and flows in parallel through both of the pre-heat tanks. Is that the optimum configuration? It seems to me that channeling the solar panel fluid through pre-heat tank heat exchangers connected in series would result in more efficient operation, while the pre-heat tanks remain connected in parallel for the delivery of water to the gas-fired temperature booster tank.
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