Good news, for those who find tiered rates optimal. I have not been on tiered rates in a while so I guess I have been too pessimistic about them being available much into the future.
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Take this FWIW. What makes you think or assume I have not ?.............................if I point out what I consider your presumptive and condescending thinking as exemplified above, you might gain further insight in understanding why I take your questions and what I take as your presumptive comments as loutish and hambrained.
Enough said.Last edited by Ampster; 03-09-2019, 12:58 AM.9 kW solar, 42kWh LFP storage. EV owner since 2012Comment
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Yes, I agree, enough said. This has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. This is not a forum for venting your psychological issues. I have learned to live with SK's behavior and however you may consider my comments they are benign in comparison to his treatment of people. If you don't have anything constructive to add to the conversation about "what is next" then leave your feelings at the door and don't try to hijack this thread with your personal issues.
As for hijacking, and as you wrote, it takes two. But I did notice you chose to not answer my question.
As for SK's M.O. (with that being even more off topic BTW), I'd respectfully suggest if you don't care for his style, ignore it - the same as mine, and move on. Matters not one whit to me.
As for your comments, they are more than benign - I consider them thoughtless and boorish, and often rude. If you consider calling out rude behavior a symptom of psychological problems, maybe you might consider an evaluation by someone more professionally qualified to make such a judgement than you seem to think you're able to do. I just hate rude behavior.
But expect return comments from me to you for what I consider rude, inconsiderate and thoughtless comments from you. Don't like it, don't make'em.
I'm done wasting time on your attempts at baiting.
The last word is yours.Comment
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I also looked at your PVOutput output, both daily and yearly. On the yearly, I noticed you're output for 2016, 2017 and 2018 is 9,686, 9,746 and 9219 kWh/yr. respectively.
I then ran PVWatts for zip 92116 and got an annual output of 11,388 kWh/yr. w/ horizontal orientation and 10 % system losses on a 7.29kW array.
NOMB or concern, but either PVOutput is underreporting, or you've got a lot of shade (as might be the case looking the photos you've provided), or that horizontal orientation is raising hell with keeping things clean, or all of the above or other things as well. I've found PVWatts to be reasonably good at modeling output in a way that matches reality provided the model input reasonably reflects on site reality. At 11,800 kWh/yr. modeled vs., say 9,600 kWh/yr. or less actual, the model is missing something.
Also, are you sure you use more than you generate over a year ? Staying in tier 1 for 10 months out of 12 would mean 10 months of usage would be ~ 9.1 kWh/day*1.3*31 days/billing period * 10 billing periods ~ 3,667 kWh for 10 billing periods (if you're in the coastal zone and also have nat. gas service). But, if you use more than the 9,219 kWh that PVOutput reports you generated for 2018, that would mean for 2 months you used something like 9,219-3,667 = 5,552 kWh. That would also put you way over the 400 % superuser threshold you also say you have avoided.
Am I missing some information here ?I've only creeped into T2 4 times in 3 years (without solar, I was always in T2, and 2x/year would hit the "hi-use" tier, if it were implemented). I trued-up 1249 in 2016, 1813 in 2017, and 1628 in 2018.Bill Date Consumption Generation SDGE Billed - NEM 1.0 3/1/2016 619 696 77 4/4/2016 702 952 -250 5/4/2016 701 1020 -319 6/3/2016 773 955 -182 7/5/2016 1157 1141 16 8/3/2016 1499 1228 271 9/1/2016 1519 1104 415 10/3/2016 1135 862 273 11/2/2016 905 723 182 12/2/2016 588 416 172 1/4/2017 820 482 338 2/2/2017 707 451 256 3/6/2017 746 680 66 4/4/2017 744 916 -172 5/4/2017 780 1084 -304 6/5/2017 870 985 -115 7/5/2017 1039 1096 -57 8/3/2017 1594 1007 587 9/1/2017 1374 919 455 10/3/2017 1092 906 186 11/1/2017 1039 704 335 12/1/2017 795 497 298 1/3/2018 845 518 327 2/1/2018 692 485 207 3/5/2018 750 762 -12 4/3/2018 727 856 -129 5/2/2018 834 1118 -284 6/4/2018 845 979 -134 7/2/2018 865 1032 -167 8/2/2018 1590 951 639 8/31/2018 1301 909 392 10/1/2018 1066 752 314 10/31/2018 783 620 163 12/3/2018 813 567 246 1/3/2019 824 465 359 2/1/2019 702 461 241
When we installed, we knew we were going to have some loss - our roof only gets AM sun full, then it tapers in the PM and because of how the roof is laid out (flat but has a center stairwell for a deck, plus walls) it blocks late-day sun. My neighbors (it's a condo) who use the other side of the roof have the opposite problem.
My "best" day so far was 5/23/16 - it takes a while to get over the parapet wall, then there was probably some morning fog, and it trails off into the PM:
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JPM- thanks for that! There are some rounding errors I'm sure (I'm not on a calendar month billing cycle) so I have to track things off my bill manually... this is how it has played out over the last 3 years:I've only creeped into T2 4 times in 3 years (without solar, I was always in T2, and 2x/year would hit the "hi-use" tier, if it were implemented). I trued-up 1249 in 2016, 1813 in 2017, and 1628 in 2018.Bill Date Consumption Generation SDGE Billed - NEM 1.0 3/1/2016 619 696 77 4/4/2016 702 952 -250 5/4/2016 701 1020 -319 6/3/2016 773 955 -182 7/5/2016 1157 1141 16 8/3/2016 1499 1228 271 9/1/2016 1519 1104 415 10/3/2016 1135 862 273 11/2/2016 905 723 182 12/2/2016 588 416 172 1/4/2017 820 482 338 2/2/2017 707 451 256 3/6/2017 746 680 66 4/4/2017 744 916 -172 5/4/2017 780 1084 -304 6/5/2017 870 985 -115 7/5/2017 1039 1096 -57 8/3/2017 1594 1007 587 9/1/2017 1374 919 455 10/3/2017 1092 906 186 11/1/2017 1039 704 335 12/1/2017 795 497 298 1/3/2018 845 518 327 2/1/2018 692 485 207 3/5/2018 750 762 -12 4/3/2018 727 856 -129 5/2/2018 834 1118 -284 6/4/2018 845 979 -134 7/2/2018 865 1032 -167 8/2/2018 1590 951 639 8/31/2018 1301 909 392 10/1/2018 1066 752 314 10/31/2018 783 620 163 12/3/2018 813 567 246 1/3/2019 824 465 359 2/1/2019 702 461 241
When we installed, we knew we were going to have some loss - our roof only gets AM sun full, then it tapers in the PM and because of how the roof is laid out (flat but has a center stairwell for a deck, plus walls) it blocks late-day sun. My neighbors (it's a condo) who use the other side of the roof have the opposite problem.
My "best" day so far was 5/23/16 - it takes a while to get over the parapet wall, then there was probably some morning fog, and it trails off into the PM:
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Glad someone (Ukiwis) finally got what looks like a straight and unambiguous answer.Comment
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I just checked online and my Tiered Plan is ending May 6th for SDGE. See below. I have to make a choice online to stay on Standard Plan which I did now. I feel it will be best for now for my situation. Had I not done anything, they would have switched me to TOU Plan. See below for info from SDGE plan changes page. I am having to cancel the change to TOU now and may have to each year it appears. Commitment is for 1 year.
Your current pricing plan is changing to Time of Use (TOU-DR1) on May 07, 2019. Please see below to learn more about your pricing plan or compare other pricing plan options to choose the best plan for your energy needs.
My action:
Cancel Enrollment of Pending Pricing Plan
You have selected to cancel your new plan. You must review the information below and then agree to the terms and conditions (*required fields) to be re-enrolled in your old pricing plan.
Standard (DR) summary:- Estimated Cost Per Year:
$23 per year
Your estimated cost is based on current approved rates, your past 12 months of electricity use for the selected meter, your choice of capacity reservation and any other information you may have provided. Actual costs may vary depending on rate changes and your actual electricity usage.
- 1 Year Commitment
- This plan has a one-year commitment. At the end of one year, you can remain on the plan or choose a different plan.
- 1 Year No Risk Pricing - Not Available
- Details
- Pricing based on how much electricity is used.
- As you use more electricity, you cross into higher cost tiers.
- Pricing does not change with time of day.
- Includes baseline allowance.
- Subject to High Usage Charge.
- This plan is for you if:
- You can conserve to stay under the baseline allowance, or
- You cannot shift some of your electricity use away from the on-peak hours of 4 p.m. - 9 p.m.
You have successfully cancelled your pending plan and will stay on your current plan, Standard (DR).[I][url]http://pvoutput.org/list.jsp?userid=27957[/url][/I]Comment
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I just checked my SDGE account. They were going to switch me to TOU plan on May 7th. I had to go and cancel that change to TOU and say I wanted to stay on Standard DR Plan.
So you may want to check your account page on SDGE website. Also it said this commitment was for 1 year, so maybe have to each year choose to stay on Standard DR Plan if that is what I want to do. Need to be proactive on this it looks like. My change was successful in canceling the TOU change. This can all be done on the website.
How apparent was this, and where did you have to look to see it? I need to decline their TOU plan and stick with DR tiered plan. Im a NEM 1.0 customer with install in 2013.[I][url]http://pvoutput.org/list.jsp?userid=27957[/url][/I]Comment
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Did this happen to occur during your True Up month? I'm trying to anticipate when I will get "the switch" notice, which I suspect will be rather obscure.
How apparent was this, and where did you have to look to see it? I need to decline their TOU plan and stick with DR tiered plan. Im a NEM 1.0 customer with install in 2013.
This is important: Most, but not all SDG & E residential customers not already on T.O.U. billing must make a positive election (that is, proactively state and notify SDG & E) of their intent and desire to remain on and otherwise keep their current billing arrangement - which is most likely schedule DR or tiered rates. Otherwise, they'll automatically be switched to T.O.U. billing. Since most residential customers are clueless about such matters, T.O.U will be forced down their throat and they'll never know it.
The changeover to most every residential SDG & E customer being on T.O.U. has already begun and will continue over the next 4-6 months or so, with customers being randomly notified, usually via their monthly statement. Users will need to play heads' up ball and stay sharp unless they want T.O.U. billing.
See the SDG & E website for details.Comment
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Did this happen to occur during your True Up month? I'm trying to anticipate when I will get "the switch" notice, which I suspect will be rather obscure.
How apparent was this, and where did you have to look to see it? I need to decline their TOU plan and stick with DR tiered plan. Im a NEM 1.0 customer with install in 2013.Comment
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Thank you rwb1921 and JPM. I have heard from a couple of other friends who receive paper bills, they observed their "Switch" notification with their true up bill. I am paperless, so I dont know what the notification looks like. I keep checking my plan, and its still DR. I dont want to miss it, but my true up is in December. JPM, I understand it can happen at any time, but just if there is correlation to true up, it may help me (and others) get thru the summer.
rwb1921, do you have your system on PVOutput?[I][url]http://pvoutput.org/list.jsp?userid=27957[/url][/I]Comment
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Thank you rwb1921 and JPM. I have heard from a couple of other friends who receive paper bills, they observed their "Switch" notification with their true up bill. I am paperless, so I dont know what the notification looks like. I keep checking my plan, and its still DR. I dont want to miss it, but my true up is in December. JPM, I understand it can happen at any time, but just if there is correlation to true up, it may help me (and others) get thru the summer.
rwb1921, do you have your system on PVOutput?
I'm also paperless but what I get looks just like what I got in via snail mail, but without the envelope good will stuffing.
I do not know if NEM SDG & E customers are treated differently than non NEM SDG & E customers. My guess is that SDG & E NEM 2.0 cust. are, for the most part, already on T.O.U. but I could sure be wrong on that. I'd also think a good %age of NEM 1.0 customers are still on tiered rates, but not all of them - maybe 50 % ?
SDG & E is saying "customers are being transitioned on a rolling basis", whatever that means, with ~ 750,000 cust. being transitioned by mid 2020.
Given what SDG & E knows about users energy use patterns - and that's a great deal - my guess is the rolling part of the selection process is B.S. or at least misleading in that the earliest transitioned customers will be the ones whose changeover to T.O.U. will enhance SDG & E's revenue the most. That's how I'd do it if I was SDG & E, so maybe NEM 1.0 folks who declined grandfathered T.O.U. rates in the past and stayed on tiered rates will get the opportunity to be the first to take it in the shorts this time around.
I'd call SDG & E and see what they have to say rather than wonder or guess or ask opinion from semi-anonymous posters like me who may be ill informed.
FWIW, I've found SDG & E to be semi helpful, depending on who answers the phone. Patience, professionalism and courtesy tend to go a long way, but some persistence is sometimes required.Comment
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Thank you rwb1921 and JPM. I have heard from a couple of other friends who receive paper bills, they observed their "Switch" notification with their true up bill. I am paperless, so I dont know what the notification looks like. I keep checking my plan, and its still DR. I dont want to miss it, but my true up is in December. JPM, I understand it can happen at any time, but just if there is correlation to true up, it may help me (and others) get thru the summer.
rwb1921, do you have your system on PVOutput?Comment
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Just got the paper notification and the switch date will be on my TrueUp date in January. Calling to tell them I’m sticking on tieredComment
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2 more billing cycles after my Oct. trueup, I'm still on sch. DR (tiered rates) so it looks like they conformed to my wishes.Comment
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