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  • Squirrel
    Junior Member
    • Jan 2016
    • 11

    #1

    NABCEP Consultant

    Hello,

    In NY they have a nice NYSERDA Power Naturally rebate of $1.50/watt up to 40% of qualified costs. For my planned kit based self-installed system my estimated rebate is few thousand dollars. There is just one hitch... you have to have the system installed by a NYSERDA participating NABCEP certified installer, who has to file the paperwork, etc. Being the self sufficient, homesteading, frugal person I am, who has personally wired 3 houses from the meter all the way the lights (and passed the electrical inspection with barely a comment or concern) - I don't want to actually pay an installer to do the physical work of installing my system. To me, and I hope people understand, it is wasted money. The smallest rough guidelines on cost for "professionally" installed systems come in at (at least) double the cost of my kit based system and self install estimate.

    So here is the gist. I am installing the system myself regardless, since no one else will install it for cheaper than I can install it myself by a long shot. My payback schedule still is reasonable even without this particular rebate, so not getting an installer consultant won't hold up my install, either. It would be nice to take advantage of the rebate and save some more cash though. Any NABCEP installers want to make some easy cash by consulting on this installation? All I want you to do is file the paperwork with the Power Naturally program, and you'll get a fair share of the rebate. If you want a more active role you are welcome to review and comment on my plans, diagrams, methods, etc, until you are content that the job is going to be completed to a high quality level.

    I understand this might ruffle some feathers. My personal stance is that if the system passes the electrical inspectors muster, it doesn't matter who installed it, certified or not. That NYS is so corrupt that you need a certification to do anything is terrible. It's fine if no one bites, but I figured I'd offer the chance for a simple moneymaking job.
  • J.P.M.
    Solar Fanatic
    • Aug 2013
    • 15038

    #2
    Their game, their $$'s, their rules. Talk to a few NANCEP installers. They may have some knowledge about how to work the system.

    And/Or, check out what it takes to become a NABCEP certified installer for one job. Given your described experience, sounds like a cake walk for you to get qualified.

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    • solarix
      Super Moderator
      • Apr 2015
      • 1415

      #3
      My take on rebates in general is that they jack up the cost of the system with all the rules and requirements and then give you a rebate that about covers all the piled on costs. The rebates are in a effect just a subsidy for the industry involved. So, don't be a pig and try to have your cake and eat it too. Use a certified installer and get the money, or do it yourself and tell them to shove it on the rebates. I respect you greatly for doing it yourself.
      BSEE, R11, NABCEP, Chevy BoltEV, >3000kW installed

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      • Squirrel
        Junior Member
        • Jan 2016
        • 11

        #4
        Originally posted by J.P.M.
        ...And/Or, check out what it takes to become a NABCEP certified installer for one job. Given your described experience, sounds like a cake walk for you to get qualified.
        I looked into that, and while from a technical perspective I could manage, one of the big showstoppers is that you have to have worked on at least 3 solar electric installations apprenticing under a NABCEP installer. No chance I'll get that to happen in time to catch the 2016 federal rebate program.

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        • J.P.M.
          Solar Fanatic
          • Aug 2013
          • 15038

          #5
          Originally posted by Squirrel

          I looked into that, and while from a technical perspective I could manage, one of the big showstoppers is that you have to have worked on at least 3 solar electric installations apprenticing under a NABCEP installer. No chance I'll get that to happen in time to catch the 2016 federal rebate program.
          The fed. ITC got extended late last year for a few years so that showstopper is probably gone, at least as a time constraint.

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          • J.P.M.
            Solar Fanatic
            • Aug 2013
            • 15038

            #6
            Originally posted by solarix
            My take on rebates in general is that they jack up the cost of the system with all the rules and requirements and then give you a rebate that about covers all the piled on costs. .
            Sort of agree, but I wonder to what degree those claims of piled on costs might be an industry red herring to explain away higher costs. I'd add that without the 30% ITC for example, I'd wager a fair sum that installed costs, while maybe not 30% less, would be a lot lower than they are. Equipment quality might be higher as well. I'm also pretty sure there would be fewer Larry with a ladder type scumbags screwing the solar ignorant while making life more difficult for honest, professionals.

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            • Squirrel
              Junior Member
              • Jan 2016
              • 11

              #7
              Thanks for the info on the Fed ITC getting extended, I hadn't found that yet.

              Looks like no takers on this offer, but thanks to those that looked at least.

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              • SunEagle
                Super Moderator
                • Oct 2012
                • 15168

                #8
                Originally posted by Squirrel
                Thanks for the info on the Fed ITC getting extended, I hadn't found that yet.

                Looks like no takers on this offer, but thanks to those that looked at least.
                It is sad that you can't get your rebate but look at the bright side. Here in Florida a licensed electrician is still not allowed to install a solar pv system unless they have gotten a solar certification. Those are the State rules and while it sucks I have to live by them.

                So whatever you decide to do, just make sure your system is per the latest electrical code for your area as well as do everything to keep the Inspector happy to approve your system. IMO missing out on the rebate would be a small loss.

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                • J.P.M.
                  Solar Fanatic
                  • Aug 2013
                  • 15038

                  #9
                  I'd still look into cost in time/treasure to become NABCEP certified. Probably doesn't cost much to find out.

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