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  • jkingqm
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2015
    • 5

    #1

    Can this specific solar panel be left disconnected in the sun?

    I have this solar powered ventilator for a beehive: http://www.beecoolventilators.com/pr...hp?prod=BC-102 I currently have the solar panel disconnected and the electric cord connected and plugged in. Is it okay to leave the panel out in the sun when disconnected like that?

    Here are specs on the solar panel if needed: http://www.beecoolsolar.com/specifications.htm I saw a thread discussing if it is okay to leave a panel disconnected in the sun, but it was too technical for me: http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showth...d-while-in-sun
  • Mike90250
    Moderator
    • May 2009
    • 16020

    #2
    Generally, PV panels can be left in the sun, disconnected.
    Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

    solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
    gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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    • jkingqm
      Junior Member
      • Jun 2015
      • 5

      #3
      Originally posted by Mike90250
      Generally, PV panels can be left in the sun, disconnected.
      I don't know what "PV" is but thank you for the reply. I just don't want to "short out" or mess it up if it's supposed to be connected when out in the sun. My knowledge of solar power is close to zero. My learning curve with the beehive is pretty steep as it is so haven't taken a detour to learn more about solar power yet.

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      • NVEnergyLLC
        Junior Member
        • Jun 2015
        • 5

        #4
        apiary?

        Off topic- what is the benefit of the fan vs lifting the top cover and leaving a 1/4" twig under it so that it stay ajar and allowing more airflow? That's what I've always used for summer months, so I'm curious.

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        • jkingqm
          Junior Member
          • Jun 2015
          • 5

          #5
          Originally posted by NVEnergyLLC
          Off topic- what is the benefit of the fan vs lifting the top cover and leaving a 1/4" twig under it so that it stay ajar and allowing more airflow? That's what I've always used for summer months, so I'm curious.
          This home page has many links to information http://www.beecoolventilators.com/. The man I take beekeeping classes from swears by them. Increased pest control using the screened bottom boards and ventilators is a benefit, and increased honey production is a bonus.

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          • Mike90250
            Moderator
            • May 2009
            • 16020

            #6
            PV = Photo Voltaic
            as opposed to water heating thermal solar panels.
            Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
            || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
            || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

            solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
            gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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            • bcroe
              Solar Fanatic
              • Jan 2012
              • 5209

              #7
              If you leave MC4 panel connectors in the open long, they may oxides up and be difficult or impossible
              later, or beginning corrosion may cause early connector failure. I short mine right away to protect
              them; doesn't hurt the panel. Bruce Roe

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              • inetdog
                Super Moderator
                • May 2012
                • 9909

                #8
                In some cases PV panels require either positive or negative ground (relative to the grounded frame and racking) to prevent charge carriers from migrating into parts of the junction of the cell where they do not belong. This charge migration can, usually reversibly, reduce the output of the panel.
                If you have this kind of panel (some early Grape Solar are in this group) then leaving the panels totally disconnected might also cause this problem. But if so, leaving the panels in the sun properly connected for a few days or weeks should restore full capacity.
                SunnyBoy 3000 US, 18 BP Solar 175B panels.

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                • jkingqm
                  Junior Member
                  • Jun 2015
                  • 5

                  #9
                  Originally posted by bcroe
                  If you leave MC4 panel connectors in the open long, they may oxides up and be difficult or impossible
                  later, or beginning corrosion may cause early connector failure. I short mine right away to protect
                  them; doesn't hurt the panel. Bruce Roe
                  The box that you see in this picture http://www.beecoolventilators.com/pr...hp?prod=BC-102 has a cover over it, so everything inside is protected from the elements and just the solar panel sticks out. Everything inside however will be exposed to any moist air that the ventilator is pulling up and out through the beehive.

                  I googled "MC4 pan connectors" to see what that was. It doesn't look like what is at the end of the wire that comes from the solar panel. I don't know what you mean by you "short" yours. Remember I'm a beginning beekeeper not a solar panel science computer Thank you Bruce.

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                  • jkingqm
                    Junior Member
                    • Jun 2015
                    • 5

                    #10
                    Originally posted by inetdog
                    In some cases PV panels require either positive or negative ground (relative to the grounded frame and racking) to prevent charge carriers from migrating into parts of the junction of the cell where they do not belong. This charge migration can, usually reversibly, reduce the output of the panel.
                    If you have this kind of panel (some early Grape Solar are in this group) then leaving the panels totally disconnected might also cause this problem. But if so, leaving the panels in the sun properly connected for a few days or weeks should restore full capacity.
                    Thank you. I can try to find out more what kind of panel this is. Can you tell from this: http://www.beecoolsolar.com/specifications.htm ? I just noticed that my panel looks a lot different than the one shown on http://www.beecoolventilators.com/pr...hp?prod=BC-102 however.

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                    • bcroe
                      Solar Fanatic
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 5209

                      #11
                      Originally posted by jkingqm
                      I googled "MC4 pan connectors" to see what that was. It doesn't look like what is at the end of the wire
                      that comes from the solar panel. I don't know what you mean by you "short" yours. Remember I'm a
                      beginning beekeeper not a solar panel science computer Thank you Bruce.
                      Your small system probably doesn't use MC4 connectors. Large panels typically have a male & female MC4s, a
                      waterproof connector once installed. These can be plugged together (shorting the panel) for storage outdoors
                      without damaging the MC4s. However you will need a tool to get them apart again. Bruce Roe

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