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  • Ian S
    Solar Fanatic
    • Sep 2011
    • 1879

    #16
    Originally posted by J.P.M.
    Looks like the 0.18" precip. didn't improve output by reducing the fouling, or perhaps any such effect was lost in the noise of the other variables.
    Of course any cleaning effect of the rain could be offset by the increased cloudiness associated with the rain. I haven't been up to clean since last fall and expect to do so this weekend if I can get going early enough to avoid the heat. In reality the closeness of the two years is a fluke. Even with the uniformity of our weather, you'd still expect far more than 0.5 kWh fluctuation. June is coming and then I'll have data for June 2012-2015. Should be interesting but I still think it won't be enough data to see any degradation over the three year period.

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    • J.P.M.
      Solar Fanatic
      • Aug 2013
      • 15036

      #17
      Originally posted by Ian S
      Of course any cleaning effect of the rain could be offset by the increased cloudiness associated with the rain. I haven't been up to clean since last fall and expect to do so this weekend if I can get going early enough to avoid the heat. In reality the closeness of the two years is a fluke. Even with the uniformity of our weather, you'd still expect far more than 0.5 kWh fluctuation. June is coming and then I'll have data for June 2012-2015. Should be interesting but I still think it won't be enough data to see any degradation over the three year period.
      From keeping about 1/2 an eyeball on system(s) output in my HOA, my mostly anecdotal guess with some observational data from measuring cooperative neighbors output is that most initial panel degradation happens in the first yr. or so and is something like about 1/2 mfg. claims - very ~~ 2% - 3%/yr or so. As for yr/yr degradation beyond initial burn in, my 1/2 step above ignorant SAWG is that the annual degradation is also about 1/2 mfg. claimed spec - ~~ 0.20- 0.40 %/yr. That is, both claims seem to be somewhat conservative across the mfg. board. Time will tell.

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      • JFinch57
        Solar Fanatic
        • Feb 2015
        • 159

        #18
        Originally posted by Ian S
        April, 2014: 1216.12 kWh
        April, 2015: 1215.58 kWh

        My 38KW system in Pt. Pleasant NJ, Apr 2014 = 5,120 KWh, Apr 2015 = 3,061 KWh. Now that's different!
        Jeff, BSEE, 22.3KW, 45-240W w/M190, 46-260W w/M250

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        • cf400
          Junior Member
          • Nov 2014
          • 10

          #19
          Originally posted by Ian S
          April, 2014: 1216.12 kWh
          April, 2015: 1215.58 kWh

          Nice! Funny too!

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          • J.P.M.
            Solar Fanatic
            • Aug 2013
            • 15036

            #20
            Originally posted by Ian S
            Of course any cleaning effect of the rain could be offset by the increased cloudiness associated with the rain. I haven't been up to clean since last fall and expect to do so this weekend if I can get going early enough to avoid the heat. In reality the closeness of the two years is a fluke. Even with the uniformity of our weather, you'd still expect far more than 0.5 kWh fluctuation. June is coming and then I'll have data for June 2012-2015. Should be interesting but I still think it won't be enough data to see any degradation over the three year period.
            I'm on the same page w/you, and not trying to separate fly crap from pepper, but what if it rained at night ?

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            • J.P.M.
              Solar Fanatic
              • Aug 2013
              • 15036

              #21
              Originally posted by JFinch57
              My 38KW system in Pt. Pleasant NJ, Apr 2014 = 5,120 KWh, Apr 2015 = 3,061 KWh. Now that's different!
              Pretty large but not impossible monthly variation. Highlights that PVWatts is an estimator of long term performance not short term. Was the system operational fore the same amount of each month ?

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              • JFinch57
                Solar Fanatic
                • Feb 2015
                • 159

                #22
                Originally posted by J.P.M.
                Pretty large but not impossible monthly variation. Highlights that PVWatts is an estimator of long term performance not short term. Was the system operational fore the same amount of each month ?
                Yes, no down time. Just entered the April 2015 generation today and noticed it. Has a utility grade digital meter in a meter pan.
                Jeff, BSEE, 22.3KW, 45-240W w/M190, 46-260W w/M250

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                • J.P.M.
                  Solar Fanatic
                  • Aug 2013
                  • 15036

                  #23
                  Originally posted by JFinch57
                  Yes, no down time. Just entered the April 2015 generation today and noticed it. Has a utility grade digital meter in a meter pan.
                  Understood. Thank you.

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