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  • Zzz
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2014
    • 4

    #1

    PPA Solar Quote From REC Solar

    Hello Everyone - Newbie here

    I have gotten around 6 total quotes for either a buy, lease, and prepaid (PPA). From my understanding the lease isn't a favorable option in this forum. But, I am leaning towards a 13 panel 260W system by REC Solar for $7,000.00 (in the lease it states $7,228.00, but I had it down to 7,000.00). If I buy the system it'll be around 12,000.00 - Rebate - 30% Fed Tax Credit and that will come out to 7,500 roughly. I have the cash to pay upfront, so once it's installed all i will have to pay for is $10.00 to LADWP and anything in access to my normal usage. I get another 500.00 for just referring 2 people and they don't have to buy, but if they do buy, I'll get 1,000.00. Anyhow, it's a 3.3kW system (REC Peak Energy Series Panel and Power One PVI 3.0 series inverter). I can opt out of the lease after 5 years and it has a value of '0' dollars. I am attaching the lease contract and any advice would be appreciated it. You guys here are very knowledgeable here and can possibly guide me to the right direction. Please advise and Thank you in advance!

    I'm in Tier 1 with LADWP and my current usage:

    1/28/13 - 3/27/13 - 880 kWh
    3/27/13 - 5/24/13 - 901 kWh
    5/24/13 - 7/25/13 - 1,280 kWh
    7/25/13 - 9/27/13 - 1,020 KWh
    9/27/13 - 11/27/13 - 947 kWh
    11/27/13 - 1/28/14 - 858kWh

    At the signing of this Lease, you will pay Sunrun a non-refundable Solar Service Deposit of $500. At the start of installation of the Solar Facility, you will pay Sunrun an Initial Solar Service Payment of $6,728. Together, these payments comprise the Upfront Payment ("Upfront Payment"). As scheduled below, your upfront payment is subject to refund if the Guaranteed Output is not met.
    Upon each anniversary of the In-Service Date, Sunrun will issue you a refund if Actual Output is less than Guaranteed Output to Date. Please see Section 8 for additional information, including certain limitations. Performance Guarantee Purchase Option End of Year Guaranteed kWh Output to Date Refund / kWh If Guaranteed Output Not Met Minimum Cash Purchase Price
    End of Year Guaranteed kWh Output to Date Refund / kWh If Guaranteed Output Not Met Minimum Cash Purchase Price
    1 5,595 $0.130 $7,265
    2 11,148 $0.130 $5,449
    3 16,674 $0.130 $3,633
    4 22,172 $0.130 $1,816
    5 27,642 $0.130 $0
    6 33,084 $0.130 $0
    7 38,498 $0.130 $0
    8 43,884
    9 49,242 " "
    10 54,572
    11 59,874
    12 65,148
    13 70,394
    14 75,612
    15 80,802 " "
    16 85,964
    17 91,098
    18 96,205
    19 101,283
    20 106,333 " "
    After the Initial Term, for any Renewal Terms, Sunrun shall on each anniversary of the In-Service Date establish a new monthly lease payment based on the fair market value of the system at that time. In no event shall the monthly lease payment be less than $0.00.
    Attached Files
  • Zzz
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2014
    • 4

    #2
    Sorry the table came out wrong, but it's supposed to be like this:


    Performance Guarantee Purchase Option
    End of Year Guaranteed kWh Output to Date Refund / kWh If Guaranteed Output Not Met Minimum Cash Purchase Price

    1 5,595 $0.130 $7,265.00

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    • slopoke
      Solar Fanatic
      • Jan 2014
      • 136

      #3
      I had a little time on my hands, so I ran some numbers for you. Just to be sure that my numbers are correct. Your total consumption of electricity from LADWP for one year was 5886 kW hours and that breaks down to an average of 490 kW hours per month. LADWP on their website says tier one is up to 350 kW hours and you dip into tier two for around 140 kW hours per month at a rate of .1356 cents for tier one usage and .1515 cents for tier two usage. So if all of this is correct, your monthly electricity bill is around $68.67. Is this correct? If so, your annual expenditure for electricity is roughly $824.00.


      I used the PVwatts calculator and used 90012 for a zip code, since I don't know exactly where you live, to figure out an annual production from your 3.3kW system. It estimated 5223 kW hours annual production, your system may produce more or less depending on your roof. So to recover the cost of a purchase, it will be right at nine years to break even.

      I'm not a financial guy, so with this system, I don't know if a solar lease or purchase or solar at all would be best for you since you don't go into the higher tiers, like most of us do, but those are the numbers I got. Good luck.

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      • Zzz
        Junior Member
        • Feb 2014
        • 4

        #4
        Originally posted by slopoke
        I had a little time on my hands, so I ran some numbers for you. Just to be sure that my numbers are correct. Your total consumption of electricity from LADWP for one year was 5886 kW hours and that breaks down to an average of 490 kW hours per month. LADWP on their website says tier one is up to 350 kW hours and you dip into tier two for around 140 kW hours per month at a rate of .1356 cents for tier one usage and .1515 cents for tier two usage. So if all of this is correct, your monthly electricity bill is around $68.67. Is this correct? If so, your annual expenditure for electricity is roughly $824.00.


        I used the PVwatts calculator and used 90012 for a zip code, since I don't know exactly where you live, to figure out an annual production from your 3.3kW system. It estimated 5223 kW hours annual production, your system may produce more or less depending on your roof. So to recover the cost of a purchase, it will be right at nine years to break even.

        I'm not a financial guy, so with this system, I don't know if a solar lease or purchase or solar at all would be best for you since you don't go into the higher tiers, like most of us do, but those are the numbers I got. Good luck.

        I'm in 91307 area code and my bill is around 100-150 a month. But, if i buy the system for 7,000.00 wouldn't i have free electricity for a long time or as long as the equipment is functional?

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        • slopoke
          Solar Fanatic
          • Jan 2014
          • 136

          #5
          Originally posted by Zzz
          I'm in 91307 area code and my bill is around 100-150 a month. But, if i buy the system for 7,000.00 wouldn't i have free electricity for a long time or as long as the equipment is functional?
          It's not free, you are just prepaying your electricity for the time it takes to break even for the cost of your system. After that, it's free.

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          • Ward L
            Solar Fanatic
            • Feb 2014
            • 184

            #6
            Ror

            Originally posted by slopoke
            It's not free, you are just prepaying your electricity for the time it takes to break even for the cost of your system. After that, it's free.
            The 9 year payback is like a 5% return, tax free.

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            • Trucker
              Junior Member
              • Jan 2014
              • 1

              #7
              Solar Panels

              Originally posted by Zzz
              Hello Everyone - Newbie here

              I have gotten around 6 total quotes for either a buy, lease, and prepaid (PPA). From my understanding the lease isn't a favorable option in this forum. But, I am leaning towards a 13 panel 260W system by REC Solar for $7,000.00 (in the lease it states $7,228.00, but I had it down to 7,000.00). If I buy the system it'll be around 12,000.00 - Rebate - 30% Fed Tax Credit and that will come out to 7,500 roughly. I have the cash to pay upfront, so once it's installed all i will have to pay for is $10.00 to LADWP and anything in access to my normal usage. I get another 500.00 for just referring 2 people and they don't have to buy, but if they do buy, I'll get 1,000.00. Anyhow, it's a 3.3kW system (REC Peak Energy Series Panel and Power One PVI 3.0 series inverter). I can opt out of the lease after 5 years and it has a value of '0' dollars. I am attaching the lease contract and any advice would be appreciated it. You guys here are very knowledgeable here and can possibly guide me to the right direction. Please advise and Thank you in advance!

              I'm in Tier 1 with LADWP and my current usage:

              1/28/13 - 3/27/13 - 880 kWh
              3/27/13 - 5/24/13 - 901 kWh
              5/24/13 - 7/25/13 - 1,280 kWh
              7/25/13 - 9/27/13 - 1,020 KWh
              9/27/13 - 11/27/13 - 947 kWh
              11/27/13 - 1/28/14 - 858kWh

              At the signing of this Lease, you will pay Sunrun a non-refundable Solar Service Deposit of $500. At the start of installation of the Solar Facility, you will pay Sunrun an Initial Solar Service Payment of $6,728. Together, these payments comprise the Upfront Payment ("Upfront Payment"). As scheduled below, your upfront payment is subject to refund if the Guaranteed Output is not met.
              Upon each anniversary of the In-Service Date, Sunrun will issue you a refund if Actual Output is less than Guaranteed Output to Date. Please see Section 8 for additional information, including certain limitations. Performance Guarantee Purchase Option End of Year Guaranteed kWh Output to Date Refund / kWh If Guaranteed Output Not Met Minimum Cash Purchase Price
              End of Year Guaranteed kWh Output to Date Refund / kWh If Guaranteed Output Not Met Minimum Cash Purchase Price
              1 5,595 $0.130 $7,265
              2 11,148 $0.130 $5,449
              3 16,674 $0.130 $3,633
              4 22,172 $0.130 $1,816
              5 27,642 $0.130 $0
              6 33,084 $0.130 $0
              7 38,498 $0.130 $0
              8 43,884
              9 49,242 " "
              10 54,572
              11 59,874
              12 65,148
              13 70,394
              14 75,612
              15 80,802 " "
              16 85,964
              17 91,098
              18 96,205
              19 101,283
              20 106,333 " "
              After the Initial Term, for any Renewal Terms, Sunrun shall on each anniversary of the In-Service Date establish a new monthly lease payment based on the fair market value of the system at that time. In no event shall the monthly lease payment be less than $0.00.

              I bought (39" X 54") 245 watt mono crystalline panels @ $239 each from a company in Toronto, Ontario. 7 grand for 13 panels seems a bit expensive. I'm just getting into this, how many watts are these panels?
              Thanx, Bill

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              • Zzz
                Junior Member
                • Feb 2014
                • 4

                #8
                Originally posted by Trucker
                I bought (39" X 54") 245 watt mono crystalline panels @ $239 each from a company in Toronto, Ontario. 7 grand for 13 panels seems a bit expensive. I'm just getting into this, how many watts are these panels?
                Thanx, Bill
                These are 260W panels. So 239 x 13 = 3,107 + a couple grand for inverter + installation = pretty good price in my opinion. I understand there is hardly any maintenance, but I don't have to worry about any insurance, theft, failure, cleaning for 20 years. I can opt out after 5 years as I have already paid for it up front.

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