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  • astrayan
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    • Nov 2009
    • 37

    #46
    Originally posted by hay4man
    You're telling me that I'm wrong, which is fine. It's OK for you to think that I'm wrong.

    But I think that in order to contribute to this discussion, you should explain why I'm wrong based on the physics of a solar cell or maybe even anecdotal evidence.

    If you want anecdotal evidence, you can connect a 48V battery directly to a solar module with an OCV of less than 24V, and let us know what happens.
    The goal posts are moving in this argument.

    Initially, I said that if you attach a panel to a battery in the dark, nothing happens. You started talking about daylight conditions, as if that answered my darkness statement. I have attached a 12V panel to a 12V battery in the dark, and nothing much happens. Mike said that a diode represents an unacceptable overhead... it does in a 12V system, where it would subtract 1V (or 7%). However, in higher voltage systems, a diode would not cause unreasonable voltage loss.

    Now, you've made a implied statement about a higher voltage array (48V) causing reverse bias breakdown of lower voltage panels. I'll admit that panels, like all diodes have a reverse bias breakdown. However, the information I have found, suggests that a single silicon photocell has a reverse breakdown voltage of 60V-35V, which suggests that the maximum voltage recommendations for series-rigged cells of around 1000V, is based around a conservative estimate of the reverse breakdown voltage of a single panel.

    Given that panels have bypass diodes, I still haven't figured out what conditions require a blocking diode.


    Silicon cells have a typical breakdown voltage of approximately 60V with a minimum of approximately 35V. Gallium arsenide cells have a much lower breakdown voltage, nominally 5V and as low as 1V, and hence are more susceptible to damage. The Advanced "III-V" cells can break down at even lower voltages.

    Have you actually done this anecdotal experiment of attaching a panel to 48V?

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    • astrayan
      Member
      • Nov 2009
      • 37

      #47
      I just connected an 80W panel to some batteries at 13V, with OCV 0.5V on the panels. Backwards current was 18ma. It was uncomfortably exponential as I raised the voltage from 6V upwards.


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      Erk... at 19V, the back-current was 400ma, which suggests that the problem is from competing panels. If you connect two panels together and put one in the dark, significant current will flow into the other, at around 20V.

      However, if you have the panels attached to a battery, and they are rated to match the battery, then abstruse conditions may be needed to make them kill each other.
      Last edited by astrayan; 12-13-2009, 02:36 AM. Reason: changed mind

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