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  • SCSE
    Junior Member
    • Apr 2018
    • 6

    Grid-Tied Design Question

    We're a solar installer in the Midwest, Sun City Solar Energy. We've installed a lot of off-grid and grid-tied batt systems. I've got a request that is different. I've gone to Schneider and Sol-Ark for help...but because our question is outside of their capabilities, haven't gotten anywhere. Hoping someone here may have a solution.

    We have a prospect with a large ranch on the grid. The crit loads are located in different buildings. He's not interested in having a separate crit load panel created and powered by his batts. Instead, he wants solar/batts to power his main panel.

    Fair enough, we can make the output of invert(s) power his entire loop. However, we are limited by the amp output of the inverts. It's a 200A service we're trying to power and we know the amp limitation out of the XW Pro. We can install the bypass that Schneider has developed. We've done that on a couple other projects. However, he doesn't want the bypass...that means everything is powered by the grid UNTIL an outage. And he's selling back production at wholesale cost and he'll never recoup any investment. He wants solar to power his loads UNTIL the load is greater than what the invert can provide (say 30A) and then it auto switches to the grid. (If grid is not present, his Gen kicks on).

    See attached diagram.

    We're looking for some type of transfer switch that switches based on AMOUNT of load present. (Typical ATS switches based on power being present). I picture it using a 30A breaker...when the load hits this level, the breaker flips and Grip power is provided. Loads drop below 30A and it switches back to invert. Balance between L1 & L2 a consideration here, but not anything that can't be compensated for.

    Anyone had experience with this? Is there a piece of equipment that does this? Any other ideas for system design?
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  • Mike90250
    Moderator
    • May 2009
    • 16020

    #2
    Why not add a slave inverter to the existing, that doubles your ability to produce, gives you a spare all wired up for redundancy, and complys with Schneider engineering.

    You may need an additional Transfer Relay if the integral ones in the Pro are not large enough
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    • solarix
      Super Moderator
      • Apr 2015
      • 1415

      #3
      Look at the new SMA Energy Storage System (ESS). It has a Automatic Backup Unit that sits between the grid and the customer with 200A relays to control when you are grid tied. We just got our first one in, and haven't played with it yet, but seems it could do what you want although being normally off-grid isn't its "normal" mode. Call SMA and ask. 916/625-0870
      BSEE, R11, NABCEP, Chevy BoltEV, >3000kW installed

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