New APS rate plans are good for solar!

[ImInPhxAZ]

Look at all the plans and run numbers.. really depends on how you use power and when.all are 3-8 pm now. And like said , if you're grandfathered with net metering you probably shouldn't change without analyzing it all.

Saver choice- high base rates, no demand,grid access charge.
Choice plus - mid rates, mid demand,no grid charge.
Choice max. - super low rates, high demand. Similar to your current plan, no grid charge.

Also look athe their peak event pricing rider. Cpp-res.
June thru Sept, exchanges a few days of higher peak rates for like a 1.2c discount on off-peak. Given how much night time ac most of us use, it's probably gonna be worth it.

Thanks Solarix. Do all the new plans have a "demand" fee?

[solarix]

Worst: If your solar system was installed since Sept 1 of 2017, APS should have already forced you onto their new plan. Stay on the Combined Advantage plan if you can as it is "net-metered" for solar where you get retail value for all the solar power you produce. If you make any changes to your plan, you will lose this "grandfathered" status and have to switch to one of the new plans - (which are not that bad either)

Hey all, I'm wondering what I should do. I recently had a 9kW PV system installed, but I haven't switched plans to a more renewable-friendly one yet. I'm currently on the "Combined Advantage 7pm-Noon" plan, where I'm paying $0.10256 / $0.04750 per kW for on-peak/off-peak. Demand is $15.61 per kW. I just got my latest bill and it's around $160. So my question is, is there a more solar-friendly plan I should be on to bring my bill down a bit?

[J.P.M.]

Yes kWh whatever was I thinking?!!! That's a newbie mistake that an engineer like me should never make!

No house won't be listed for another year. There are some things I have to take care of first. I fell recently and hurt my other shoulder but the doc is optimistic I won't have to have rotator cuff surgery on that one. Hey you fall forward and your arms reflexively reach out to break your fall! Thankfully, my repaired shoulder seems to be unscathed.

Glad to hear you're sitting up/taking nourishment.

I've had both rotator cuffs done. Too many years of too much swimming and pitching. The best thing I can say about the surgical experiences it is I'm glad I only have two shoulders.

[Ian S]

Hey Ian: That's $290 for 10,000 kWh, right ?

Sell your place yet ?

Regards,

J.P.M.

Yes kWh whatever was I thinking?!!! That's a newbie mistake that an engineer like me should never make!

No house won't be listed for another year. There are some things I have to take care of first. I fell recently and hurt my other shoulder but the doc is optimistic I won't have to have rotator cuff surgery on that one. Hey you fall forward and your arms reflexively reach out to break your fall! Thankfully, my repaired shoulder seems to be unscathed.

[Ian S]

Yes, but that is on the old "grandfathered in system" right? On the old net-metering system, APS credited you for excess kWh generated and only at the end of the December bill did any excess credit get turned into dollars at that 2.9cent rate. For the great majority of your solar generation, you are getting full retail value. On the new "RCP" system, APS simply pays you 12.9cents for every kWh you push out onto the grid. Doesn't matter what rate plan you have or anything.

Yes, I'm grandfathered. While the 12.9 cents per kWh sounds nice, because they shifted the peak time to later in the day, I would rack up a lot of peak kWh which in my rate schedule is 25 cents per kWh during the summer. IMHO, APS probably analyzed everything thoroughly and came up with a plan that penalizes solar at the individual level but made the changes complex enough to make it difficult for the average person to understand the full effect. Right now I produce just enough peak time energy to avoid any peak electricity charges. I will stay on the grandfathered plan and let the next owner decide what they want to do. Not worth fussing with at this point since I hope to be in Sedona by Xmas 2019.

[J.P.M.]

I'm on APS and I get reimbursed at a rate of $0.029 per kWh.That calculates to $290 for your 10,000 watts I think.

Hey Ian: That's $290 for 10,000 kWh, right ?

Sell your place yet ?

Regards,

J.P.M.

[solarix]

I'm on APS and I get reimbursed at a rate of $0.029 per kWh.That calculates to $290 for your 10,000 watts I think.

Yes, but that is on the old "grandfathered in system" right? On the old net-metering system, APS credited you for excess kWh generated and only at the end of the December bill did any excess credit get turned into dollars at that 2.9cent rate. For the great majority of your solar generation, you are getting full retail value. On the new "RCP" system, APS simply pays you 12.9cents for every kWh you push out onto the grid. Doesn't matter what rate plan you have or anything.

[Ian S]

I live in Litchfield Park AZ. We had 12.5 KW solar system installed last year in order to meet grandfather clause. After many design delays from APS, we finally went live in December of 2017. My monthly bill as been running between $22.00 and $25.00 a month. Currently I have almost 6000 kwh's banked and on track to have over 10,000 kwh's by the end of the year. I am on APS's standard plan. Can anyone give me a rough amount one that I would receive back from APS for 10,000 kwh's? On the face it would appear that we installed a larger system than we needed. This house is a second home, which will become our main home when we retire in a few years. So right now we are only there every 4 to 6 weeks thus the excess power. Any helpful comments would be greatly appreciated.

I'm on APS and I get reimbursed at a rate of $0.029 per kWh.That calculates to $290 for your 10,000 watts I think.

[Dave1958]

Thanks for the reply. Epr-6. Plan.

[solarix]

You may be better off giving up your grandfathered status and going with one of the new rate plans that instead of giving you kWh credits, just pay you 12.9c/kwh for all your excess generation. That is a really generous rate which may change at the end of August so don't delay - call APS and see what they would advise you to do.

[azdave]

Can anyone give me a rough amount one that I would receive back from APS for 10,000 kwh's?

I don't know the details of that plan but I assume they will credit you the wholesale value which might be around $300. I'm with SRP in Gilbert and I get wholesale value in credit or cash at the end of SRP's fiscal year on April 30th. I usually have enough excess production in fall, winter and spring to cover my connection fees in the summer, just wish they didn't zero out the account right before I have the most need. Still a good deal for us. We are on SRP Basic plan (best for us because our generation matches of our needs) and were grandfathered before the Dec 2104 changes.

We have a 6.6kWh system and with conservative A/C use we have had zero net billable energy for 3 straight years now. My connection fees are currently $12 a month but in 2019 it will go up to $22.

[Dave1958]

I live in Litchfield Park AZ. We had 12.5 KW solar system installed last year in order to meet grandfather clause. After many design delays from APS, we finally went live in December of 2017. My monthly bill as been running between $22.00 and $25.00 a month. Currently I have almost 6000 kwh's banked and on track to have over 10,000 kwh's by the end of the year. I am on APS's standard plan. Can anyone give me a rough amount one that I would receive back from APS for 10,000 kwh's? On the face it would appear that we installed a larger system than we needed. This house is a second home, which will become our main home when we retire in a few years. So right now we are only there every 4 to 6 weeks thus the excess power. Any helpful comments would be greatly appreciated.

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Im a bit confused. . . charging for the use of solar panels? I thought they were supposed to help you go more "off grid" if you will, ergo not having to pay out as much as most do now. Also I might suggest this . . .

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