Building Reserve and Using KWH

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  • bcroe
    Solar Fanatic
    • Jan 2012
    • 5228

    #241

    We are seeing -7 F. The 6 Heat Pumps installed 2018-2020 are
    all doing their jobs, which is usually heating buildings. They can
    AC, but very little of that is required here. 5 are in the house, like
    one in each corner and 1 in the area of the basement with an
    outdoor wall. Starting with 3 HPs temps were a little uneven and
    a fan helped one room. Now with more units and the house
    blower circulating the air every hour, things are pretty good.

    Some would say I have way too much HP capacity. But if one were
    to fail, the others could just work a little harder, no crisis like a
    furnace failure. What they call RIGHT SIZING I call JUST BARELY
    ENOUGH FOR MOST SITUATIONS. And the minimum HP capacity
    would be backed up by a resistive heat system with a COP of 1.
    With my capacity the HPs can cover that too, automatically,
    even if their COP drops pretty low for well below zero F. The
    COP will pick up immediately as temps rise a bit. The factor
    driving the above is initial cost. But mini splits are easily DIY,
    bringing costs to less than half.

    2023/4 saw some tree growth dropping sap on on one
    panel string, which only gets removed with a scraper
    (razor blade). The tree got cut back summer 2024, but
    unfortunately a 250W panel was damaged by a falling
    branch. It was replaced (in the dead of night) with my last
    spare, better find some more.

    The solar plant has been doing very well, with absolutely
    minimum maintenance. I clear the snow off part of the array
    about 4 times a year, the rest pretty much clear themselves.​

    In the switch over to straight electric water heating, I have
    done some manual control of the previous propane unit. I am
    suspecting after 13 years of our hard water, the high efficiency
    is not so high. At my previous house with similar water heater,
    it did not seem to run sooo long. And that unit could be
    unplugged for several days before I ran out of hot water, this
    one completely cools off in a day even with the circulator
    turned off. PERHAPS mineral buildup on the heat exchanger is
    interfering? This problem would go away with the electric heater,
    the heat cannot go up a vent not present, it will find its way to
    the water. If that strain eventually burns out the resistive
    element, it is easily replaced. With 2 elements I would still have
    service.

    Bruce Roe

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    • bcroe
      Solar Fanatic
      • Jan 2012
      • 5228

      #242
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      The solar system builds up kWh reserve in Net Metering, starting in April.
      I use a minimal amount in summer, so most generation then goes to the
      reserve. It generally tops out at the beginning of Nov, then begins dropping
      as generation decreases and heating use increases. There is quite a bit
      left over on the next reset in April, seems to be increasing. This though I
      suspect the actual panels are loosing a bit of capability every year. Good
      reason to over panel.

      Here is a list of reserve beginning Nov each year, primarily controlled by
      the weather. With comments.
      2013 3,339 incomplete starting year
      2014 12,389 1st complete year
      2015 12,389
      2016 12,919
      2017 13,947
      2018 13,991
      2019 12,116 E facing panels added
      2020 13,448 heavy intra building cable reduces losses
      2021 13,665
      2022 11,478 fires smoke?
      2023 13,824
      2024 14,067
      2025 14,605

      Lately it seems to be rising, I suppose due to warmer weather? Also last year
      and 2025, the peak seems to occur later, more like 15 Nov. This is easily seen
      on my bi directional, spinning disk kWh meter. Bruce Roe
      Last edited by bcroe; 11-06-2025, 06:03 PM.

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      • bcroe
        Solar Fanatic
        • Jan 2012
        • 5228

        #243
        I constantly see pictures of solar panels and heat pumps mounted barely clear
        of the ground. That works IF YOU NEVER GET SNOW. If the snow fall and drifting
        is not enough, snow sliding off can build up a huge pile blocking it.

        Reserve energy did maintain a positive slope til mid Nov. Then it started dropping
        primarily because the sun went away. But by 1 Dec I still had 13,300 kWh for winter,
        maybe a record here. Our reward for global warming is Arctic air sweeping down
        here for some awfully long, cold winters. But the heat pumps deal with it, no action
        from me required. Bruce Roe

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        • solar pete
          Administrator
          • May 2014
          • 1862

          #244
          Hi Bruce,

          Thanks for the update, all seems to be going quite well. Good tip re the height of the ground mount system in areas that get snow, cheers.

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          • bcroe
            Solar Fanatic
            • Jan 2012
            • 5228

            #245
            14 May first time this year the 15 kw AC inverter plant delivered 150 kWh. I often
            have seen the inverters in hard clipping for 8 hours straight, but those hours
            never seemed to get any longer even longest day in June. I think I have figured
            out why that is. The sun may rise and set nearly straight E and W around March,
            but then the sun keeps moving to rise and set farther north, which means my
            S facing panels are nearly cut off then. My E and W facing panels only see about
            15 degrees max off for sun rise and set, BUT my trees in the north are shading the
            panels at those times. To get the longest possible summer day would require
            relying more on E W panels and cutting more trees.

            Technology moves on, and I no longer can get new panels with 6in sq PV cells for
            spares in my system. Had been using 60 or 72 cell panels, same width.
            Bruce Roe

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            • SunEagle
              Super Moderator
              • Oct 2012
              • 15193

              #246
              Thank you for the info Bruce. too bad about the solar cell size. Hope that doesn't hurt your system during a panel replacement

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              • bcroe
                Solar Fanatic
                • Jan 2012
                • 5228

                #247
                In truth my tree line north of the arrays has slowly been retreating from age and trimming. I
                am slowly forming an idea of another generation of panels and mounts, which would more
                favor the northern sun and accommodate the larger celled panels. The current panels have
                all been doing fine since 2013, one had to be swapped after a tree bent it. DC wiring has been
                a problem with running high power many hours of every sunny day, but lately all those which
                I had described have been fine.

                The other thing is anticipation of the Po Co refusing to renew my Net Metering contract in
                2033, so I have been looking at ways to more directly use my generation. Using the secondary
                water heater element to absorb some energy and keep inverters out of clipping is a serious
                consideration, if it plays out I might even have 2 of those lifetime tanks. Direct DC feed of
                heat pumps might be possible, which also bypasses inverter losses. Some that connect to
                solar panels already do this. With the house running pretty well and gutters + metal roof, I
                am very much interested in some of the most efficient windows to replace these awful single
                pane. Probably some multilayer with bird glass, a custom order for sure. But running without
                Net Metering certainly will cause much less efficient use of facilities. Batteries are not on my
                list, they cannot solve my summer to winter energy storage.

                With the 2020 heavy 4/0 cable burial out to the inverter shed, the original 4 gauge feed could
                be used to bring panel DC power to the house. Right now it just helps with the inverter AC
                output. Need to learn to use the latest high power silicon carbide transistors. The Vampire
                load chase never ends, these toroid transformers can really help. Bruce Roe

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                • DanS26
                  Solar Fanatic
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 1002

                  #248
                  That net metering deal you got from the local REMC was too good to be true from the get go. I guess those good old boys finally woke up. At least you were able to pay for your system a couple of times over if not more.

                  Most REMC's are moving to net billing where they buy your excess production at wholesale and then make you pay retail to buy it back at night. In any case you got the early adopter benefits.

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