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  • somawheels
    Member
    • Jan 2015
    • 70

    #16
    Ok, so if I could use this? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110V-220V-...QAAOSwpDdVPP~t

    To equalize my 24v batbank by using it on a 31.2v (aprox) setting (2.6v*12 cells).

    I need a 10A one but this is just an example.

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    • Mike90250
      Moderator
      • May 2009
      • 16020

      #17
      Originally posted by somawheels
      sadly my charge controller doesn't have an equalizing function.
      Why is solar better for EQ stage? , Will it take the same amount of time as if the generator was on?
      It depends on how low the batteries are, and if your solar can provide enough charge. Apparently, you are low on solar PV and need to run the generator every 3 days or so to keep the batteries healthy.

      Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
      || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
      || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

      solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
      gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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      • somawheels
        Member
        • Jan 2015
        • 70

        #18
        Apparently, you are low on solar PV and need to run the generator every 3 days or so to keep the batteries healthy.
        I don't understand? I will have 1.53KW of panels on a 420AH 24v bank.
        Last edited by somawheels; 07-15-2016, 11:24 AM.

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        • Mike90250
          Moderator
          • May 2009
          • 16020

          #19
          if your solar cannot keep the batteries charged your loads are too high, 1.5Kw of panels @ 28V should yield 50A, which getting close to the upper limit for the batteries to safely absorb without heating up. So if you can't get enough charge done in a day, to EQ, then you need to conserve power, shift loads to a generator, or charge the batteries from a generator.
          Generally, over 300 or 400w, MPPT controllers are a better way to harvest the power. With PWM, you need to have PV array wired to provide at least 35V, if you are only wired for 28V, you will destroy your battery bank. With MPPT controller, your array should be wired for 45 - 65V for best efficiency.
          Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
          || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
          || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

          solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
          gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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          • jflorey2
            Solar Fanatic
            • Aug 2015
            • 2331

            #20
            Originally posted by somawheels
            Right, so If i get this 32V 5a power supply to my battery bank (while no loads are on it), I will be able to perform an EQ charge. 5A is to low for me. like this
            Something like that would work - again, provided you can drop all other loads for the EQ.

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            • somawheels
              Member
              • Jan 2015
              • 70

              #21
              Ok, thanks jflorey2

              Originally posted by Mike90250
              Generally, over 300 or 400w, MPPT controllers are a better way to harvest the power. With PWM, you need to have PV array wired to provide at least 35V, if you are only wired for 28V, you will destroy your battery bank. With MPPT controller, your array should be wired for 45 - 65V for best efficiency.
              The panels I was considering are 30.2(vmp) and VOC of 37.98, so should be okay?

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              • sensij
                Solar Fanatic
                • Sep 2014
                • 5074

                #22
                Originally posted by somawheels
                Ok, thanks jflorey2


                The panels I was considering are 30.2(vmp) and VOC of 37.98, so should be okay?
                No. The 30.2 is at STC (25 deg C). Actual operating temperature will be higher than that, and voltage will be lower. Those panels in parallel in a PWM controller won't support EQ.

                It takes very little current for the voltage to fall from Voc to Vmp. It is possible the panels could help hold the EQ voltage during the day if you want to give the generator a break, but I don't think they will get the battery up to the voltage on their own.
                Last edited by sensij; 07-15-2016, 06:51 PM.
                CS6P-260P/SE3000 - http://tiny.cc/ed5ozx

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                • somawheels
                  Member
                  • Jan 2015
                  • 70

                  #23
                  My questions often lead to the same answer: Use an MPPT charge controller.

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                  • sensij
                    sensij commented
                    Editing a comment
                    If you want to stay with PWM, consider using a 72 cell solar panel.
                • inetdog
                  Super Moderator
                  • May 2012
                  • 9909

                  #24
                  Originally posted by somawheels
                  I don't understand? I will have 1.53KW of panels on a 420AH 24v bank.
                  What counts here is the total watt-hours you consume each day compared to the watt-hours the panels produce.
                  For example a 1.5kW system in northern US in winter may only produce 3kWh each day and not all of that can go into the batteries as they approach full charge.

                  A 200W load running 24 hours per day will use 4.8kkWh per day.

                  For details on W and Wh, read the off-grid sticky threads.

                  PS: You do not need (or want) an equalize charge cycle. You need a makeup charge cycle, best done the way Mike suggests.
                  Last edited by inetdog; 07-15-2016, 07:43 PM.
                  SunnyBoy 3000 US, 18 BP Solar 175B panels.

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                  • Mike90250
                    Moderator
                    • May 2009
                    • 16020

                    #25
                    30Voc panels will not be able to reliably EQ a 24v battery bank. you would have to put them in series and use a MPPT controller to accomplish EQ
                    Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                    solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                    gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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                    • somawheels
                      Member
                      • Jan 2015
                      • 70

                      #26
                      What do people think of this MPPT charge controller.


                      For use with 48v PV

                      The EQ is a bit low, but.... good price.

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                      • somawheels
                        Member
                        • Jan 2015
                        • 70

                        #27
                        Can anyone recommend an mppt charge controller that can use 2KW PV and can perform an equalizing charge?
                        This looked nice, but there's no reviews on it so i wouldn't buy it.
                        http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EPsolar-iT...MAAOSwd4tT7x~5
                        Last edited by somawheels; 07-16-2016, 05:51 PM.

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                        • Mike90250
                          Moderator
                          • May 2009
                          • 16020

                          #28
                          I use a 200v rated Midnight Classic on my small 2Kw array. I use a 150v rated Morningstar MPPT 60 on my 3Kw array (48V battery bank)
                          Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                          || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                          || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                          solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                          gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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