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  • Mike90250
    Moderator
    • May 2009
    • 16020

    #16
    Congrats ! finally. I don't know why utilities don't like small solar, other than it takes $$ out of their pockets
    Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

    solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
    gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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    • silverhorsefarm
      Solar Fanatic
      • Apr 2010
      • 147

      #17
      Originally posted by Mike90250
      Congrats ! finally. I don't know why utilities don't like small solar, other than it takes $$ out of their pockets
      On the other hand, I am helping them meet their renewable quota, so I would expect to be feeling a little more love than I am from the utility.
      SHF produces something besides manure!

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      • Uechi Kid
        Junior Member
        • Jun 2010
        • 19

        #18
        Man, that is so cool. Just wondering, what is the reason you need kw? Do you run a business that requires that much power?
        "Carpe Diem"

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        • silverhorsefarm
          Solar Fanatic
          • Apr 2010
          • 147

          #19
          Nah, it's my residence. But it supplies me with almost 100% of my needs, so no bills!
          SHF produces something besides manure!

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          • Steve
            Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 83

            #20
            That's really a nice setup.
            @ $70,000 it would take me roughly 25-30 years to break even, not counting any payback from the electric company.

            I wish I had a crystal ball to find out how much the U.S. government is going to raise energy taxes in the near future. "Necessarily sky rocketing" electric bills, as some in the Washington Federal class have enthusiastically mentioned is truly chilling.

            silverhorsefarm, you are already ahead of them. Bravo!

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            • solar_dave
              Junior Member
              • Jul 2010
              • 29

              #21
              Originally posted by silverhorsefarm
              It's NOT. Utility is weeks away from connecting to the GRID! sucks.
              Yeah that waiting time is a bitch, the code guys hung mine up for about 3 weeks with the changes they wanted, then I made the electrician show up when the utility came to the final interconnect. Good thing they wanted a couple minor changes as well.

              Looks like you got a pretty fair price while using microinverters.
              [URL=http://phx-solar.dyndns.org:8081/Footprints.html]My TED 5000 system[/URL]
              Sticking it to the power company one watt at a time!
              60 Ningbo Electric 175 watt panels and 12 Canadian Solar 180 watt panels with 2 PVP 5200 Inverters

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              • Mike90250
                Moderator
                • May 2009
                • 16020

                #22
                Originally posted by Steve
                ..... out how much the U.S. government is going to raise energy taxes in the near future. "Necessarily sky rocketing" electric bills,........
                When oil and natural gas get scarce, and regulations like carbon tax and stuff get added in, I can easily see electric rates going to 2x current rates, in 2-3 years, if the power is on at all.
                Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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                • Vandergraaff
                  Member
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 44

                  #23
                  Looks Great! I'll be putting panels on a steel roof too, but the roof ribbing will be more like your walls. What kind of mounts are you using? How are the penetrations sealed?

                  Thanks!
                  Art

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                  • silverhorsefarm
                    Solar Fanatic
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 147

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Vandergraaff
                    Looks Great! I'll be putting panels on a steel roof too, but the roof ribbing will be more like your walls. What kind of mounts are you using? How are the penetrations sealed?

                    Thanks!

                    The fasteners and racking are all UNIRAC. The fasteners are called Hangar Bolts. They are screwed into the purlins and sealed with some type of silicon caulking/sealant.
                    SHF produces something besides manure!

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                    • silverhorsefarm
                      Solar Fanatic
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 147

                      #25
                      PV Array Update

                      Well, it's been about three months, so I thought I would post some stats for the forum. My 11.34 Kw array has been averaging about 60 KwH/day. To date (since June 19th), I have generated 4.5 MwH. My last electricity bill, which included 32 days of consistently 95 degree days, was $28.

                      No maintenance issues aside from 1 balky panel which the installer promptly replaced. It must have been a Friday afternoon lemon. I love the on-line monitoring from Enphase. I will probably buy some Enphase stock if/when they go public.

                      I've already gotten the solar grant from the state, I am actually looking forward to filing my federal tax return this year, and I won't owe any property tax for 2011 to my county. I haven't gotten around to registering my SREC's yet and I am still a little unclear about how all that works.

                      All said, I am very satisfied. I was surprised at how easy it was for this Goldwater republican to accept the tax largess, but I'll live.
                      SHF produces something besides manure!

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                      • Vandergraaff
                        Member
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 44

                        #26
                        Silver Horse,

                        It's been another year. Can you give us an update?

                        How has the system performed? Did you get the SREC's worked out?

                        Art
                        Art

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                        • silverhorsefarm
                          Solar Fanatic
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 147

                          #27
                          Update

                          Well, I just passed 10 months and 13 MWh of harvest. I have sold 7 SRECs at $320/ea and have banked an additional 5. I plan to wait out the high harvest season and watch the auctions to see where Maryland prices are going. They have been bid up to as high as $360. Overall, I am very pleased. I saw low double-digit electricity bills in the dead of winter, and none all fall.
                          SHF produces something besides manure!

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                          • Vandergraaff
                            Member
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 44

                            #28
                            Metal Roof Flashing

                            Silverhorse,

                            It sounds as though no flashing was used in your installation; holes and washers were simply sealed with caulk. Can you tell me what the pitch of your roof is?

                            My roof is ribbed steel (not a standing seam, simply ribs formed into the sheet) on a 6/12 pitch. I'm not sure if any traditional flashing is necessary, or even available. Anyone know? Any of you have experience with butyl tape placed between a standoff and steel?

                            BTW, I just had an incredibly productive phone call with a Unirac Tech Person. Once I described my roof, she was able to tell me exactly how to proceed, and why.
                            (No affiliation)

                            Thanks
                            Art

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                            • silverhorsefarm
                              Solar Fanatic
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 147

                              #29
                              My barn roof is a corrugated product called Ondura. It is 33 degrees. I am pretty sure no flashing was needed. The installation spec for the fasteners is below:





                              Originally posted by Vandergraaff
                              Silverhorse,

                              It sounds as though no flashing was used in your installation; holes and washers were simply sealed with caulk. Can you tell me what the pitch of your roof is?

                              My roof is ribbed steel (not a standing seam, simply ribs formed into the sheet) on a 6/12 pitch. I'm not sure if any traditional flashing is necessary, or even available. Anyone know? Any of you have experience with butyl tape placed between a standoff and steel?

                              BTW, I just had an incredibly productive phone call with a Unirac Tech Person. Once I described my roof, she was able to tell me exactly how to proceed, and why.
                              (No affiliation)

                              Thanks
                              SHF produces something besides manure!

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                              • Chris @ EcoFasten Solar
                                Junior Member
                                • Nov 2009
                                • 24

                                #30
                                I work for a company that manufactures mounting hardware, and we do offer a solution for ribbed metal roofing that some of you may find suitable for your projects. We call it the Simple Seal, and it is a cone shaped EPDM rubber bushing that fits in to a similar cone shape that we mill in to the bottom of our brackets. When you tighten a fastener in to your structural member these cones nest tightly together and force the base of the bushing against the roof surface making a seal.
                                You can find more information on our site, including a full product guide.
                                (Mods- if this counts as advertising please do not hesitate to modify and/or delete this post)
                                Last edited by Chris @ EcoFasten Solar; 05-04-2011, 12:35 PM. Reason: grammar
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