3 phase solar panel system for workshop. Any suggestions?

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  • chefdecuisine
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2014
    • 2

    #1

    3 phase solar panel system for workshop. Any suggestions?

    Hi there,

    I am planning to build (DIY) a solar panel powered setup with 10kW for our workshop that feeds back into the grid (export into the electricity distributer's network). The tricky part is that I need to invert into 3 phase power. I have been looking for any diagram showing which parts I would need and how they are wired together but was not able to find anything.

    Is there anybody who could help me by pointing in the right direction please?

    Here are some remarks as well as some background information of what I found out so far

    - I have been told that either a 3 phase solar power inverter or microinverters will do the trick. What is the advantage / disatvantage between them?
    - We are living in New Zealand and it needs AS/NZS 4777.1 compliance certification for the inverter and AS/NZS 5033 for the solar panels.
    - I am importing 5 containers each year from China and would be able to get all the parts from there. Any recommendations on a particular supplier?

    Many thanks,

    Stephan
  • Mike90250
    Moderator
    • May 2009
    • 16020

    #2
    You will need either a 3ph inverter, or 3 inverters that can be interconnected for 3 phase use. Not sure what the source would be for a small one. Schneider Electric makes large trailer mounted 3 phase gear, maybe SMA makes smaller ones.
    Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
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    • chefdecuisine
      Junior Member
      • Mar 2014
      • 2

      #3
      Originally posted by Mike90250
      You will need either a 3ph inverter, or 3 inverters that can be interconnected for 3 phase use. Not sure what the source would be for a small one. Schneider Electric makes large trailer mounted 3 phase gear, maybe SMA makes smaller ones.
      https://www.google.com/search?q=3+ph...+power+systems
      Thanks Mike. I understand what you are saying. I was also looking into using micro inverters which I can then freely reconnect depending on how busy one of the phases gets.

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      • inetdog
        Super Moderator
        • May 2012
        • 9909

        #4
        What it comes down to is that either a string inverter or a micro inverter will synchronize to the line voltage and phase that it sees, so the standard way to get three phase GTI is with three inverters. And as long as your loads are balanced, there is no need for the three (or more) inverters to talk to each other.

        However this does raise an interesting point in that three separate GTIs will have to be wired to three separate sub arrays of your panel farm. Otherwise they will fight while hunting for the MPPT point.
        That (three phase from one DC input connection) is probably the only advantage of a single chassis three phase inverter (which I have not seen offered in consumer sized packages.)

        Micro inverters certainly would give you more flexibility, but unless your POCO charges you a penalty for imbalanced consumption, I do not see a persuasive reason to move inverters from phase to phase.
        Keep in mind that it could take the micro five minutes or more to re-qualify the connected utility power each time you switch between phase connections.
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        • Mike90250
          Moderator
          • May 2009
          • 16020

          #5
          With micro-inverters, you better watch out for "Low Line (AC) Voltage" trip off's. 3 phase is 208VAC, standard USA household grid power is 240VAC. 208V may not qualify on the inverters, unless you actually get a 208V model.
          Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
          || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
          || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

          solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
          gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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          • inetdog
            Super Moderator
            • May 2012
            • 9909

            #6
            Originally posted by Mike90250
            With micro-inverters, you better watch out for "Low Line (AC) Voltage" trip off's. 3 phase is 208VAC, standard USA household grid power is 240VAC. 208V may not qualify on the inverters, unless you actually get a 208V model.
            The Enphase units seem to be configured for either 240V line to line or 208V line to line operation depending on which version of the AC harness you connect them with. Whether this also automatically takes care of the voltage setting, or whether there is a configuration switch change needed too, I do not know.
            SunnyBoy 3000 US, 18 BP Solar 175B panels.

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            • Naptown
              Solar Fanatic
              • Feb 2011
              • 6880

              #7
              see if this will work
              NABCEP certified Technical Sales Professional

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              [URL]http://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html[/URL] (Voltage drop Calculator among others)

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