Can I use a APC UPS as an inverter?

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  • paulcheung
    Solar Fanatic
    • Jul 2013
    • 965

    #1

    Can I use a APC UPS as an inverter?

    Hi Guys, Merry Christmas and happy new year when it comes.

    I don't know if this question ever been asked. I would like to know if I can use the APC Back-UPS Pro 650VA as an inverter for a small solar system? If not can you tell me why?

    My wife has a little gift shop. She has a little ~4 cu.ft refrigerator and some lights and a laptop plus 1 desktop radio/fan I like to use a small solar system to support these equiptments.

    The power company charge her about $8000 Ja dollars per month included the grovenment consumption Tax. it is about $80 US Dollars. I try to see if make sense to do some solar assist to cut down the eletricity bill.

    The shop is open from 8:30 am to 5:30 pm Monday to Thursday, 8:30am to 6:30 pm on weekends and 9:00 am to 1 pm on Sundays.

    I use the AC clamp amps meter to check the consumption, the refrigerator draw about ~1.75 to 2 amps 110volts that is about 220 watts, the laptop and a cash register plus a desktop radio/fan draw less than 1 amp so that is about 100 watts, 3 led lights at 18 watts each total 54 watts.

    The total watts to the solar circuit would be about 374 watts. The ups is rated 650VA 410watts. The original battery in the ups has died long time ago, I can't get the replacement in Jamaica so I took it out and connect a pair of wires to a old car battery which is dying also. The total consumption in the month is about 145 to 160KWH which including a 45watts standing fan and 3 more 3 watts LED light that won't be in the solar circuits.

    If I get 2 240watts solar panels and a mppt 40 amps charge controller and 2 6volts 200amps battery, would it be able to supply the demand? We got Sun from 8:00am about 40% power and 10 am to 2pm would be about ~full power (65% from stickers rating?) then 2 to 4pm about ~35 to 40% again.

    What is the cheapiest reasonable mppt 40amps controller? I can get 2 200 amps batteries for JA$25000 and the 2 panels for JA$45000. I seem can't find the mppt 40 amps in Jamaica at all. They dealer only stock 60amps mppt CC which cost about JA$65000 or the cheap 30 amp none mppt CC for JA$16500. if the UPS can't work then there is one 600watts pure sine inverter for JA$26000.

    Would this system work? We have the grid to depend on if rainy day so I don't have to have high capacity battery banks. the battery is just to use for the early morning and the late evenings. The aim is try to save JA$5000 per month, so less than three years would pay for the investment.

    If the system cost me around US$1500, it will be pay back within 3 years.

    Thank you.

    Sorry for the long post.
  • EA6LE
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2013
    • 8

    #2
    For 150KW/month system you will need 2KW in solar panels, 48V 600A batteries, 60A MPPT inverter, 2KW inverter (to be sure that the fridge will start and work correctly).
    The APC Back-UPS Pro 650VA is not a pure sine wave inverter and the compressor from the fridge will overheat. I don't think that fridge can start on that UPS.

    I live in Turks and Caicos Isl. and I pay also $.51/KW and I realized that if you can't get a grid-tie solar system, then is not worth it to go solar.
    I do it because is a hobby. But after my calculation you might get even after 15 years of using a well designed solar system.

    Regards,
    Marius

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    • paulcheung
      Solar Fanatic
      • Jul 2013
      • 965

      #3
      It is not a 24 hours system. I only want to use it from 8:30am to 5:30 pm and 6:30pm on weekends. It can't do grid tie because the current wiring situation plus the cost. Well if I have to get a different inverter then the cost will go up and it may take 5 years to break even. at US$0.53 per kwh, if I can save $40 to $50 per month. it is about $500 to $600 per year. so I will try to see if I can get a system less than $2500.

      Thanks for reply.

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      • EA6LE
        Junior Member
        • Dec 2013
        • 8

        #4
        You can do the lights and laptop on the UPS but not the fridge and the fan. Anything with a motor needs pure sine wave inverter.

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        • EA6LE
          Junior Member
          • Dec 2013
          • 8

          #5
          For 100KW/month system you might go the lowest $5000 but is about the batteries. If you don't size them correctly and have them in a single string and maximum 2 batteries or groups in parallel, then you have to change them every 2 years.

          I spent $50000 on my system so far to save $3000/year. Also wasted $10000 on the batteries that lasted almost 3 years. Now I am redesigning the system and the batteries and hope to get 8 years on the new batteries.

          Regards,
          Marius

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          • paulcheung
            Solar Fanatic
            • Jul 2013
            • 965

            #6
            Originally posted by EA6LE
            I spent $50000 on my system so far to save $3000/year. Also wasted $10000 on the batteries that lasted almost 3 years. Now I am redesigning the system and the batteries and hope to get 8 years on the new batteries.

            Regards,
            Marius
            I have spent US$22000 on my home system to save US$4200 Per year. I don't know how long those Rolls 4000 series going to last. I am doing about 30~40% DOD every day right now. Once every two weeks I make sure fully charge the batteries with the grid power. We do most heavy load during the day and I shut down most of equipment at the night including the refrigerators. So far so good. good luck for both of us to save some dollars.

            What happen to the fans with UPS backup? it won't run?

            Cheers.

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            • EA6LE
              Junior Member
              • Dec 2013
              • 8

              #7
              they will run but they make a buzzing noise and the motor overheats. I can't tell for sure if they will fry or not but on the fridge may kill the starter capacitor or the compressor.

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              • paulcheung
                Solar Fanatic
                • Jul 2013
                • 965

                #8
                Just try it. The fan run slower and drag down the desktop radio fan too. So more expenses for me if I really want to go through it. wonder if make any sense.

                Thanks

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