Ufer ground requred for solar?

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  • Vern2
    Junior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 78

    #1

    Ufer ground requred for solar?

    Should I require a ufer ground from my install company to be installed?

    New shop under solar panels.

    I think a 50 or 100A sub panel of some kind will be installed by someone, maybe me. Here is a link to my project. http://www.enichesoftware.com/solar/index.htm I'm thinking about moving my shop out of garage area. Between stairs and SMA's. Then later move SMA's into shop. No, I'm not going to build a giant shop! In the range of 16' x 16'. The shop will have whatever size heat pump is required, Arizona. Of course Welders, bandsaw, wood working and plasma stuff.

    I'll be doing my own Thermal water heater, only 50 gal.

    Thermal windows next.

    Oh, did I say free electrons.

    Vern2
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  • Mike90250
    Moderator
    • May 2009
    • 16020

    #2
    Grounding depends on your local codes. I'm putting in 20', 3/4" rebar at each corner of my shop, for ufer ground of each corner of the steel building. If nothing else, I'll have a great faraday cage.
    Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

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    gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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    • Vern2
      Junior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 78

      #3
      I have 2' x 2' x 2' holes with rebars. I don't see where I can put 20'.

      Electrical earth grounding method named after Herbert G. Ufer, who developed the technique during World War II in Arizona

      It is installed by connecting the ground wire to the steel reinforcement bars in foundation concrete, or by embedding a length of wire in the foundation near the bottom of the concrete. Its effectiveness is based on the idea that concrete is more conductive than most soil, and this semiconducting characteristic increases surface area contact with the soil the foundation is built on.

      Vern2
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      • Mike90250
        Moderator
        • May 2009
        • 16020

        #4
        For code use, to handle a full on strike, you need 3/4 rebar, in order to not melt and vaporize completely ! Copper will not last in concrete, but steel does, and it needs to be well tied to the rest of the bars. County minimum is the first piece is 20' so it can spread the strike around. Too small of surface area will not work.
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        Last edited by Mike90250; 10-18-2009, 03:00 PM. Reason: added pic of rebar - Ufer
        Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
        || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
        || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

        solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
        gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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        • solar_geoff
          Member
          • Jan 2009
          • 49

          #5
          For new construction, I would always go with a concrete encased grounding electrode and a bond to the metal building structure. But if its a retrofit application, any of the NEC accepted grounding electrode types should be sufficient. It all really depends on you AHJ, so its going to be best to check with them for your local requirements.

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          • Vern2
            Junior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 78

            #6
            Thank You, Mike and geoff!
            I think I'll wait until solar guys put in their ground.

            Vern
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            • Vern2
              Junior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 78

              #7
              I'm placing a ufer ground in north west corner of deck footing. Solar backboard power panel. Broke the code (found out how to do it).

              Vern
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