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  • zbx
    Junior Member
    • Apr 2012
    • 3

    #1

    Many questions about setting up 11KW system.

    Hi

    First - please forgive my horrible english.

    This is great forum, everything you know about solar energy in one place... i've been reading this in whole day.
    As more I read more questions i start to ask.
    I cut my blah blah blah and I ask these questions now. I hope they don't sound very stupid.
    I thank any experienced user who will find moment of their pecious time to give me some advice.


    So

    I'm setting up 11KW on-grid solar panel system.

    Why 11KW? Because my goverment is supporting private renewable energy projects in our country and maximum supported power capacity is 11KW.
    Support capacity is 70% of cost of all materials and works.

    As usually, most important aspect is price (of course I have to pay only 30% but I still want to pay less )

    So I decided to buy 79pcs of 140W polycrystal panels (as I understand - choosing lower efficiency polycrystal panels just causes larger panel area, that is no big deal for me).

    I have to use grid-tie inverters with MPPT functionality (no battery).

    Now this is the moment where my questions have'nt got a clear answer (even after googling for a week).

    1. As I understand, to have best MPPT and therefore maximum efficiency, then connecting less panels (ex. 2x140W) for each low power inverter (ex. 300W) is better than connecting many panels (ex. 10x140W) behind high power inverter (ex. 1500W) because, if any of these panels have partial shading or cell defect it will pull down the efficiency of whole array behind this inverter. Am I correct?

    2. I also readed that, using bypass diodes (inside panel in cell arrays or outside panel) lets current to bypass defective or shaded cells/panels and therefore helps to get maximum out from solar panel/array. Am I correct?

    3. So looks like these lovely little diodes allow me to connect many panels behind "high" power inverter instead of connecting less panels to "low" power inverter and same time keep the efficiency pretty high. Am I right?

    4. I did also read that, I can connect panels in series and therefore increase voltage of array (to decrease losses in DC connections). My logic says that the efficiency loss problem (because of shading or defects) with series connetion still remains. But again, when I use bypass diodes?

    5. Last question is about grid tie inverter stacking. As i know, this means connecting serially connected solar panels to serially connected inverters, and this helps to bring up solar panel array voltage and inverter total DC input voltage. Am I right?



    Thank you
    Lauri
  • Mike90250
    Moderator
    • May 2009
    • 16020

    #2
    Sadly, government sponsored rebates, generally only cover factory built & certified panels.

    Home built PV panels usually only work for a short while, before they fail from flawed construction. Even more so when wired to 500VDC for MPPT inverters.

    Currently, there is a glut of panels on the market, and this is likely the best time in a long time, to buy panels. Manufacturers are going out of business, selling off panels cheap, to stay out of bankruptcy.
    Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

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    • zbx
      Junior Member
      • Apr 2012
      • 3

      #3
      yes of course i buy completely made panels with all possible european certifications and conformitys (CE, T

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      • Naptown
        Solar Fanatic
        • Feb 2011
        • 6880

        #4
        that's a mid size system.
        Couple of questions
        What country are you in? and what is the grid frequency ( 50HZ 60 hz)
        What is the coldest recorded temperature where they will be installed
        What is the average high temperature where they will be installed.
        And what are the electrical specs on the panels.
        And what is the distance from the array to where the inverters or where the system will tie into the grid.
        NABCEP certified Technical Sales Professional

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        • zbx
          Junior Member
          • Apr 2012
          • 3

          #5
          I'm in northern Europe - Estonia... it's 50Hz here

          On winters it can rarely get as low as -40C (usually no more than -20C)

          Average high is 22C

          panels specs are:

          Maximum Power (Pmax) 140Wp
          Density (Wp/m2) 141.2
          Maximum Power Voltage (Vmp) 17.7V
          Maximum Power Current (Imp) 7.94A
          Open-Circuit Voltage (Voc) 22.0V
          Short-Circuit Current (Isc) 8.58A
          Output of the cells (%) 16.0%
          Output of the module (%) 14.3%
          No. of Diodes 4
          Maximum System Voltage 1000V
          Maximum Series Fuse Rating 15A
          Power Tolerance

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          • Naptown
            Solar Fanatic
            • Feb 2011
            • 6880

            #6
            [QUOTE=zbx;44879]I'm in northern Europe - Estonia... it's 50Hz here

            On winters it can rarely get as low as -40C (usually no more than -20C)

            Average high is 22C

            panels specs are:

            Maximum Power (Pmax) 140Wp
            Density (Wp/m2) 141.2
            Maximum Power Voltage (Vmp) 17.7V
            Maximum Power Current (Imp) 7.94A
            Open-Circuit Voltage (Voc) 22.0V
            Short-Circuit Current (Isc) 8.58A
            Output of the cells (%) 16.0%
            Output of the module (%) 14.3%
            No. of Diodes 4
            Maximum System Voltage 1000V
            Maximum Series Fuse Rating 15A
            Power Tolerance
            NABCEP certified Technical Sales Professional

            [URL="http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showthread.php?5334-Solar-Off-Grid-Battery-Design"]http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showth...Battery-Design[/URL]

            [URL]http://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html[/URL] (Voltage drop Calculator among others)

            [URL="http://www.gaisma.com"]www.gaisma.com[/URL]

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            • marcsentec
              Junior Member
              • May 2012
              • 1

              #7
              10.5 kw dc system grid tied invertor location question

              i am starting to take a hard look at having a 10.5 kw grid tied solar system installed and want to do it right and also understand the optimum system installation. due to our roof situation, i have to do a ground mount. the ideal location (allowing for 180 degree south panel orientation) is about 175 feet from the my main electrical panel. question: is it better to put the invertor at my main electrical panel on my house (i have a great location on the inside wall away directly oposite the main panel inside my garage) or out at the 32 panel (sunpower 327 watt panels) array? sunpower is going to guarantee the system output.

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              • Naptown
                Solar Fanatic
                • Feb 2011
                • 6880

                #8
                Originally posted by marcsentec
                i am starting to take a hard look at having a 10.5 kw grid tied solar system installed and want to do it right and also understand the optimum system installation. due to our roof situation, i have to do a ground mount. the ideal location (allowing for 180 degree south panel orientation) is about 175 feet from the my main electrical panel. question: is it better to put the invertor at my main electrical panel on my house (i have a great location on the inside wall away directly oposite the main panel inside my garage) or out at the 32 panel (sunpower 327 watt panels) array? sunpower is going to guarantee the system output.
                Put the inverter in the garage if you have a choice. This sounds like a lease so they have the final say.
                NABCEP certified Technical Sales Professional

                [URL="http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showthread.php?5334-Solar-Off-Grid-Battery-Design"]http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showth...Battery-Design[/URL]

                [URL]http://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html[/URL] (Voltage drop Calculator among others)

                [URL="http://www.gaisma.com"]www.gaisma.com[/URL]

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