What is the normal process for an Electrical Panel upgrade ?

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  • wanabefree
    Member
    • Jan 2014
    • 81

    #1

    What is the normal process for an Electrical Panel upgrade ?

    I am in the middle of a new 6.25kw system and have run into a whole lot of delays. It took 2 months to get final Plans and agree on the size of my system. Than another month to get a Permit which clearly said they were to install a new 125 amp electrical panel de-rated with a 100amp main so I could have a 30amp Solar back feed.

    They came right out within days to install the Panels on my roof and followed with an electrician the next day but I knew something was off when I questioned them about installing a New Panel. I was told my panel was fine and they would just need to upgrade some breakers so I just let them go ahead. After about a week of no further updates I called them and asked when they were going to schedule the City inspection and they said ow it takes about 3 weeks to get them out. I was not happy about the delay so I called there corporate offices and explained the situation and they said they did not have an electrician inspector available sooner. I complained that it was ridiculous to wait so long and they said they would try to move me up. Two days later they call and say they will be there the next day and i have an afternoon inspection. So I made plans to be home to be sure all went well.
    The day of the inspection about 10:30 am i see the city inspector trying to open my side gate and went out to greet him. He ask's if I am the electrician and have a set of plans. I told him no and the electrician said he had an afternoon appointment. The Inspector said we don't make appointments and was going to leave but after some conversation I asked if i could call the electrician inspector and find out how soon he could get there. Well I did not get ahold of the electrician but the inspector agreed to go ahead and look at the electrical panel anyways since it was the first part of the inspection anyways. He opened the lid and immediately said this was not up to code and started writing a correction notice. He failed it for having a center-fed 100 amp main and underrated panel bus.

    Needless to say i was pissed and called the corporate office of the installation company and they said the electrician would be out later to see what needed to be done. When he did show up I gave him the correction notice and expressed my displeasure as it seemed they just tried to get away without a new panel. He told me that they had done many installs just like mine with now problems and just sort of blew me off and told me his supervisor would contact me later. A week later after no contact I started calling there corporate office again and was told several times they were working on a solution. I told them it was pretty clear they had to put a new panel in but they just said they would get back to me. Another week later and now call back and I start getting really pissed and after several calls got a hold of an head supervisor at the corporate office and they assured me that they would get to the bottom it and call me back.
    The next day they scheduled a panel upgrade and an electrician came out and pulled my old one out of the wall and put in a new one as the plans originally called for. The work looks fine to me accept they told me that it would be a few weeks before they could get back to repair the plaster around the new box. Also they the ring lock off my Edison meter but did not install a new one. I think that Edison needs to do that but I am not sure they even called them before the work was done or after. They also replaced the lead from my roof into the meter box and crimped it to the old overhead lines.
    Now a week later again I am not sure what is going on or when of if Edison has to be called to inspect there work or if just the city inspection is required. I am concerned that the city will not sign off until wall is plastered as well.

    After all that I just wonder how all this normally would happen. If there are others that have had there panel replaced what was there experience.
  • wanabefree
    Member
    • Jan 2014
    • 81

    #2
    Maybe I should have just ask my question without all the other stuff.

    After re reading my post with no reply's it would have been better to just ask about the important stuff regarding the normal process for getting a new electrical panel installed instead of sounding more like a rant.

    Anyways I am still waiting for my new meter to get re plastered so they can schedule a final inspection. i was told middle of next week they should have it done then the city can come do a final and hopefully shortly after I will get a PTO.

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    • inetdog
      Super Moderator
      • May 2012
      • 9909

      #3
      The normal process for a panel upgrade is for either the homeowner or a licensed electrical contractor (depends a lot on the local/state regulations) to apply for and get a permit to do the electrical work.
      Once that is granted, typically POCO will be called to pull the meter, making it safe to work on the panel wiring.
      After the work is done and inspected (and passed) POCO will put the meter back in.
      If the panel change involves an increase in the service size, POCO will be even more involved and may charge you a fee if they have to upgrade their equipment, such as a transformer, to support it. (That makes no logical sense, since you will end up using less power from POCO, but that is the way the procedures are written....)

      Some times, some places, very simple. Other times and places, tedious and expensive.
      SunnyBoy 3000 US, 18 BP Solar 175B panels.

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      • wanabefree
        Member
        • Jan 2014
        • 81

        #4
        Originally posted by inetdog
        The normal process for a panel upgrade is for either the homeowner or a licensed electrical contractor (depends a lot on the local/state regulations) to apply for and get a permit to do the electrical work.
        Once that is granted, typically POCO will be called to pull the meter, making it safe to work on the panel wiring.
        After the work is done and inspected (and passed) POCO will put the meter back in.
        If the panel change involves an increase in the service size, POCO will be even more involved and may charge you a fee if they have to upgrade their equipment, such as a transformer, to support it. (That makes no logical sense, since you will end up using less power from POCO, but that is the way the procedures are written....)

        Some times, some places, very simple. Other times and places, tedious and expensive.
        Your description of how it of how it normally would go is much the same as I assumed it should be . However that is not how it has gone so far for me. I believe the original approved plans showed a new panel so I think it was permitted. After that it has been a little strange as they first just changed some breakers and as i said the city failed that right away then after some time and insistence by me they came out and put in a new panel but to my knowledge did not make any special calls to the POCO . They just removed the old meter and cut the drop cables on the roof and rewired the new panel up. Today they came out and repaired the plaster around the new meter and I asked if they needed to call Edison and was told NO just the city for inspection and then Edison would be notified of the change and need for a net meter ? I am not sure this is the proper protocol but they say its the what they do all the time and Edison has never been a problem ?

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        • inetdog
          Super Moderator
          • May 2012
          • 9909

          #5
          I can't really answer that, since the protocol followed by utilities varies so widely from place to place.
          In some cases an EC that pulls the meter and/or cuts the service wires will be so deep in s*** that he will have trouble continuing to work in the area.
          Other POCOs may indeed consider that standard procedure.

          Not surprising that the city inspection failed if the new panel was shown on the approved plans! Not sure how the EC thought he could get away with that. Maybe he drew and inspector he did not have a working relationship with.
          SunnyBoy 3000 US, 18 BP Solar 175B panels.

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          • SolarShadow
            Junior Member
            • Oct 2013
            • 26

            #6
            Actually, he rejected the panel based on 30 amps solar and a 100 amp main breaker totaling more than the legal 120% on the buss. 120 amps would be max on a 100 amp panel, not 130 amps.

            The new panel will have to have upgraded service wires from the panel to the pole and I'm not sure you indicated that they did that or not.

            It sounds like that company tried to pull a fast one on you.

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            • wanabefree
              Member
              • Jan 2014
              • 81

              #7
              Originally posted by SolarShadow
              Actually, he rejected the panel based on 30 amps solar and a 100 amp main breaker totaling more than the legal 120% on the buss. 120 amps would be max on a 100 amp panel, not 130 amps.

              The new panel will have to have upgraded service wires from the panel to the pole and I'm not sure you indicated that they did that or not.

              It sounds like that company tried to pull a fast one on you.
              Fast one for sure, It is a leased system so I technically do not own it. The good news is they have to make it right and do not get any money till it is fully inspected and granted a PTO.

              The Official reason it failed electrical inspection was the old panel used a center fed 100amp main and that is not allowed here. the fact that is also was under rated was a secondary reason but reason enough all by itself.
              Still hoping there is no further issue with the POCO (Edison) over the meter removal and new panel install. It has an overhead feed and the electrician said the wires were fine and did not need upgraded ? we'll see.

              It has all been replaced now and I am just waiting for a new city inspection soon I hope. The work they have done so far other then the Panel issue looks to me to be top notch once they get to it.

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              • SolarShadow
                Junior Member
                • Oct 2013
                • 26

                #8
                I do hope you get everything up and running soon without any more problems. It can get to be frustrating at times. FYI the electric panel is yours and not really part of the leased solar install even though they must make it right to accommodate your solar install. Good luck to you.

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