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    I bought a 100W panel and my intended purpose is no longer viable. I am wondering what I can use a 100W panel for at home, without having to spend a bunch of money.

    I thought of connecting it directly to a 24V fan in the attic (panel on roof) to vent the hot air during summer sunlight hours.

    I thought of connecting it to nicrom (sp) wire heater rewound or custom built for the expected voltage/current to warm the house during winter sunlight hours.

    That's all I could think of. Otherwise, the panel is just in the way and causing consternation.

  • #2
    A 100W panel is probably over kill for an attic fan but you really need to check both the voltage and amp requirement of a DC motor before you hook up a pv panel to it.

    I can say that the 100W panel will work real nice if you want to build a small portable solar / battery system. The battery can be around 50 to 60Ah and the charge controller can be a cheap 10Amp PWM type.

    I built a small system but I also have a folding 80watt panel which makes it easy to transport, Still that 100w panel may work for you.

    Here are a couple of pictures of my small system.

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    • #3
      My original plan was a portable system just like the well thought out system you show. The panel I picked seems impractical for that as it is just a little big and the reality is I'd not likely use it very much. I also thought (wishful thinking) it would be more trivial to supplement a home appliance.

      The panel is something like an 18V 5A panel (an import newpowa) and I have a load of 24V fans that I was considering placing at the attic vents (~10) to wire in parallel direct to the panel (fused junction).

      The heater would be as described, possibly with one of the fans too.

      It seems like the system would mostly take care of itself (fail safe) due to its own limitations and only require some kind of switching from summer to winter.

      I am very frugal and do not use AC in summer and the gas heater is set to 50. It was about 105F the other day and the attic get very hot, so some active air movement might help.

      This is the best idea I could come up with. I could even supplement it with custom designed Arduino controlled monitoring and switching.

      I may not actually save any money (except a wee bit of gas in winter), but it may improve the comfort some.

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      • #4
        What about adding an Enphase or Sunny Boy Micro-Inverter?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by NEOH View Post
          What about adding an Enphase or Sunny Boy Micro-Inverter?
          Getting a permit and interconnect for a single 100w install?
          OutBack FP1 w/ CS6P-250P http://bit.ly/1Sg5VNH

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          • #6
            A friend of mine ended up with a 100W panel like that and I told him to get rid of it, that it wasn't worth much at home. Well, against my advice he bought two automotive 12V radiator fans and connected them in series, I think. Lo and behold, when the sun is around mid day, the fans go like hell. He made an attic fan out of it. It was weird how the current draw worked out just about right. If it was me, I'd put in on Craigslist.

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            • #7
              DC motors have a lot of tolerance for power variations, they just vary the power output. I have varied the voltage over
              about a 3:1 range for controlling fans, which don't need a big surge to get started. Bruce Roe

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ctwo View Post
                I bought a 100W panel and my intended purpose is no longer viable. I am wondering what I can use a 100W panel for at home, without having to spend a bunch of money.

                I thought of connecting it directly to a 24V fan in the attic (panel on roof) to vent the hot air during summer sunlight hours.

                I thought of connecting it to nicrom (sp) wire heater rewound or custom built for the expected voltage/current to warm the house during winter sunlight hours.

                That's all I could think of. Otherwise, the panel is just in the way and causing consternation.
                Attic fans work okay, if you get a good match, need them most in summer when sun hours are longer, best to have a buck converter if you are thinking of wiring it direct, they are only a few dollars for a cheap one.

                Very bad math on trying to do any kind of heating with a single 100w panel, unless it is just a cup of coffee, or 1 cubic foot of air, fixed heat element loads can only be optimized for a certain current flow, problem is with solar panels the current varies dramatically throughout the day, so you just have to average or pick a point where you think it will spend more time in that zone, and the fall off in power is squared when you are not optimized, so it is impossible to get anywhere near your panels rated output for any length of time. You can expect about 1 penny a day in generated power towards heat loads, maybe 2 cents if your in a very sunny winter place, not worth wearing the panel out for that, better to have it in storage and ready to go if you ever really need it for a grid down situation or??

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                • #9
                  What is meant by wearing the panel down? Do they wear out like batteries, meaning they age the same if in use and also if in storage? I kinda thought they were more like solid state IC's. Last forever other than keeping them clean...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ctwo View Post
                    What is meant by wearing the panel down? Do they wear out like batteries, meaning they age the same if in use and also if in storage? I kinda thought they were more like solid state IC's. Last forever other than keeping them clean...
                    Solar pv cells will slowly degrade the more they are exposed to sunlight and heat. So sometimes it is better to store the panels then to just put them up and try to get something out of them.

                    Now batteries are a different story. They will die if they are being used or stored. You can't keep them alive forever or at least not for 25 years like a solar panel.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ctwo View Post
                      I bought a 100W panel and my intended purpose is no longer viable. I am wondering what I can use a 100W panel for at home, without having to spend a bunch of money.

                      I thought of connecting it directly to a 24V fan in the attic (panel on roof) to vent the hot air during summer sunlight hours.

                      I thought of connecting it to nicrom (sp) wire heater rewound or custom built for the expected voltage/current to warm the house during winter sunlight hours.

                      That's all I could think of. Otherwise, the panel is just in the way and causing consternation.
                      100W panel should be more than adequate for good size attic fan. Just remember to have thermostat that only turns on the fan only when it's hot enough. Your panel is big enough that you can even add a battery and charge controller for powering the fan after sundown to cool down the attic faster. I have such system with a 50W panel and it definitely helps keep the house cooler.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by solardreamer View Post

                        100W panel should be more than adequate for good size attic fan. Just remember to have thermostat that only turns on the fan only when it's hot enough. Your panel is big enough that you can even add a battery and charge controller for powering the fan after sundown to cool down the attic faster. I have such system with a 50W panel and it definitely helps keep the house cooler.
                        Using a solar panel directly wired to a fan driven DC motor will work. The problem is making sure the motor can accept the amount of power the panel can put out. As someone stated before the fan can end up spinning very fast and exceed it's limits.

                        The 100W panel will work but needs to be matched up to the DC load.

                        I had 2 attic fans that did a great job and they each only had a 10w panel running the motor. I would hate to see what a 100W panel would do to them.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SunEagle View Post

                          Using a solar panel directly wired to a fan driven DC motor will work. The problem is making sure the motor can accept the amount of power the panel can put out. As someone stated before the fan can end up spinning very fast and exceed it's limits.

                          The 100W panel will work but needs to be matched up to the DC load.

                          I had 2 attic fans that did a great job and they each only had a 10w panel running the motor. I would hate to see what a 100W panel would do to them.
                          If the panel open circuit voltage is at or below the motor maximum input voltage, there will be no problem. Bruce Roe

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bcroe View Post

                            If the panel open circuit voltage is at or below the motor maximum input voltage, there will be no problem. Bruce Roe
                            I agree. The OP just needs to check first before purchasing a DC fan.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bcroe View Post

                              If the panel open circuit voltage is at or below the motor maximum input voltage, there will be no problem. Bruce Roe
                              Voc is no problem for anything as there is no current.

                              MSEE, PE

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