My First Solar Powered Boat Project

[dudevato]

doing some more work to secure my outrigger

Tommy, I saw your pics on Yahoo Group LittleSolarBoats. I don't remember approving you as a member. I just give a quick look to see people are not wanting to post porn or offer Russian Brides and such. There were 7 members this morning and I just approved 3 more. A tri-maran owner and a pair of kayakers.

I cut up and welded what will be my front outrigger mount yesterday. This will be Shoo-Gooed to the windsurf board. I scuffed up the bottom of the metal plate with a hand grinder. The dimensions of it are 3x5" or so.

The surface of the board is a very ruff, non slip surface and I feel it will provide a very good surface to adhere to. If not I'll use Plan B

For the rear mount I was able to use 4 embedded nut plates that take 3/16" fine thread screws.

Spring is coming to Northern California. It was like 80* under blue (sunny) skies yesterday and it ought to be the same today.

Back to the Yahoo Group briefly: I posted invitations to it on some 10 or 15 U Tube videos that showed up when I searched for Electric Kayaks - Solar Canoe - Trolling Motors - etc.

I think the site will offer us a good place to post a lot of relevant info. Like links (and close up pics) of steering actuators and voltage charts, etc.

Here's a thought you two might have already had: Do you have some kind of Dead Man's Switch wired up, so your rig doesn't head off into the sunset Without you? I'll have something rigged up, if it's only a 'holddown' for a spring loaded pushbutton switch

Back to the Shoo Goo project - I put a dab of the stuff on the board yesterday. I'll be able to see if it's going to hold to my liking later today. I'll bet it does but will report back either way. later all

[TomCat58]

More testing the new build

I tested out the new solar setup yesterday and covered 26 miles with mostly cloudy skies. The new build I did this winter is working better then I had thought it would Its been a long winter and I am looking forward to defrosting now....Next is testing under full sunshine soon ! serenity 1.JPGserenity 2.JPG Serenity solar canoe 3.jpg

[dudevato]

wow

T, 26 miles? Wow!

[TomCat58]

Todd

Todd check your private messages.

Tommy

[SolarCanoe]

Multiple smaller batteries to save my back!

I have been considering the LiFePo4 batteries for all the advantages but I already have a $200 MPPT Solar Charge Controller and it does not support the LiFePo4 batteries. It is not programmable other than selecting Flooded, AGM, or Gel batteries.

One of the real attractions for me was the weight. A 100ah AGM weighs about 70lbs. One of the real deterrents is the cost. I can get a 100ah Smart Battery LiFePo4 battery that is a drop in replacement for a lead acid battery but it costs $765 for a 50Ah and $1443 for 100Ah.

The weight of a 100Ah AGM battery is a real concern to me. The smaller 14 ft canoe is to be more portable and therefore we would be removing the battery and car topping the canoe regularly. 70 lbs of battery at my age and condition is just asking for trouble. So I am looking for a solution that would use two or three smaller batteries. I can get three AGM 35 Ah batteries for $300 and they each weigh less than 30 lb.

I looked at 6v batteries but it seemed like it would end up being heavier and more expensive.

That is all I have been up to lately but the snow is melting fast now.

[inetdog]

I looked at 6v batteries but it seemed like it would end up being heavier and more expensive.

There may be some limitations based on the sizes that are made and commonly available, but just based on the chemistry and physics you should be able to get the same amount of energy from two six volt 70AH batteries in series as from two twelve volt 35AH batteries in parallel, and at the same weight.
Given that, the series arrangement will be easier to maintain.

[SolarCanoe]

Given that, the series arrangement will be easier to maintain.

Why do you say it is easier to maintain two 6V batteries in series than two 12V batteries in parallel?

[Naptown]

Why do you say it is easier to maintain two 6V batteries in series than two 12V batteries in parallel?

It has to do with balancing the charge and discharge between the two batteries. Minor resistance differences between connections and internal resistance in parallel will cause premature battery failure. In series this is not a problem.

[SolarCanoe]

It has to do with balancing the charge and discharge between the two batteries. Minor resistance differences between connections and internal resistance in parallel will cause premature battery failure. In series this is not a problem.

Does this imbalance effect charging or using the batteries?

If I purchase the same batteries at the same time and use the same length of wire to connect the batteries to a common bus bar will that minimize the the effects of the imbalance?

[Naptown]

Does this imbalance effect charging or using the batteries?

If I purchase the same batteries at the same time and use the same length of wire to connect the batteries to a common bus bar will that minimize the the effects of the imbalance?

It effects both charge and discharge.

You can be extremely careful with wire lengths crimps etc but all it will take is a difference in the internal resistance of the batteries some crud on a connection and the balance will be off.

[Patti8176]

All I can say is wow. What cool projects, and now I have build something similar. Thanks for the great ideas.

[dudevato]

Patti, There's a Yahoo Group I started a while ago called LittleSolarBoats that now has 20 members.

Myself and Tommy (of Serenity Canoes) are the main posters. We'd love another interested party. Check it out.
Then post a pic of your project.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/LittleSolarBoats/conversations/messages

[SolarCanoe]

Back In The Saddle

I'm afraid my solar boat projects have had to take a back seat to getting some much needed renovations and repairs done to the house. We have decided that it is necessary for us to move to a house with a garage more suitable for my projects. That means a garage something like this one:

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In addition to us wanting to move out of the city to a larger house, my sister-in-law's husband passed away and her financial situation may mean she will be coming to live with us, so that is another reason for us to want to move to a larger house that will accommodate all of us.

So I have not had time to work on these projects until the last day or so.

I first made an extension cord for the trolling motor so I can move the batteries to the center of the boat. I used a 12 foot set of booster cables that are 6 gauge all copper wire. After removing the clamps and doing some creative cutting, I came up with the following:

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I don't expect the little box to keep the connections dry but I needed a way to keep them insulated from each other. In fact I may find that water will get into the little box and get trapped, so I may need to drill some drain holes.

I also worked on the battery parallel connections. I developed a method of making large crimp-on terminations for the 6 gauge battery jumper wire using copper tubing. I made one set of cables to develop the manufacturing process, but I need to get some shrink tubing and I will then photograph and document the process. For now here are some photos to look at:

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I numbered the batteries so that I always connect them in the same order. When the batteries are not connected together the short cables will get attached back to the same terminal to ensure they don't accidentally get shorted.

[TomCat58]

I'm afraid my solar boat projects have had to take a back seat to getting some much needed renovations and repairs done to the house.

Wow a garage like that would be excellent. I hope all your plans come together for you......

I think my last build worked out pretty good and I have been spending more time on the water and not much time working on it. A few days ago I explored a nice lake high up in the Cascade Mountains. Here are a few pictures and a short video from Lake Kachess. Hope it inspires a few people to push forward with there solar boats lake Kachess 1.JPGLake Kachess 2.JPGLake Kachess 3.JPGLake Kachess 5.JPGLake Kachess 6.JPGLake Kachess 7.JPG

Tommy

https://sites.google.com/site/serenitysolarcanoe/

[SolarCanoe]

Today I finished making the jumper wires for the batteries. As promised hear are some photos of how I made the crimp terminals.

Strip about 1/2 inch of the wire. Cut off a piece of copper tubing and drill a 1/8 inch hole near one end.
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Insert the wire in the end of the tube where the hole is. Use a pair of tile nippers to crimp the tube where the 1/8 inch hole is.
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Flatten the tube up to the 1/2 inch crimp end.
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Use a torch to heat the tube away from the wire and insulation. Feed the solder into the 1/8 inch hole in the tube.
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Drill a hole in the flat end to accommodate the size of screw you are using for the terminals.
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Trim the length of the flattened copper area and snip a slot. This will allow you to make the connection without removing the nut completely.
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Use a file to round off the corners and remove any rough edges.
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That is how I made the crimp terminals. The end of the wire that stays attached all the time does not have a slot cut in it.