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  • Sunking
    Solar Fanatic
    • Feb 2010
    • 23301

    Originally posted by dax

    No it's a single stage charger, bulk charge to 14v then switches off, there is no more input into the pack until the pack drops to 13.6v.
    What a ******. That is 2-Stage******. You are FLOATING your battery at 13.6 volts.
    Last edited by Mike90250; 07-27-2016, 07:08 PM. Reason: removed uncomplimentary names. Moderator
    MSEE, PE

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    • Sunking
      Solar Fanatic
      • Feb 2010
      • 23301

      Originally posted by dax
      Look at at this way, the pack reaches 14v or a cell reaches 3.5v, charge is disconnected, panel energy is directed to other sources.
      Hogwash. What other sources?

      Do you even know the difference betwen source and load? I did not think so. You are really showing you know nothing about electrical. Give you a hint. a SOURCE is a Solar Panel a SOURCE provides power to loads like batteries.
      Last edited by Sunking; 07-27-2016, 10:47 AM.
      MSEE, PE

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      • dax
        Junior Member
        • Oct 2015
        • 50

        To anyone with a working brain and not just a revolving door merry go round mentality, floating a battery is when you input a compensating charge which keeps the battery full. It is not by any recognised authority when you do not put in any charge, but use the stored energy.
        "Float voltage is the voltage at which a battery is maintained after being fully charged to maintain that capacity by compensating for self-discharge of the battery.[1] The voltage could be held constant for the entire duration of the cell's operation (such as in an automotive battery) or could be held for a particular phase of charging by the charger.[2] The appropriate float voltage varies significantly with the chemistry and construction of the battery, and ambient temperature.[3]
        With the appropriate voltage for the battery type and with proper temperature compensation, a float charger may be kept connected indefinitely without damaging the battery."


        "HOW DOES A FLOAT CHARGER WORK?
        A float charger (also called a storage charger, maintenance charger, or smart charger) will charge a battery at a similar rate as a battery self-discharges, thus maintaining a full capacity battery. However, the main difference between a trickle charger and a float charger is that a float charger has circuitry to prevent battery overcharging."




        "Float chargers are typically constant-voltage chargers that operate at a low voltage. Operating the charger at a low voltage, usually less than about 2.4 V per cell, keeps the charging current low and thus minimizes the damaging effects of high-current overcharging."

        http://www.engineersedge.com/battery/float_charging.htm
        A good FLOAT charger charges the battery at a constant current until the 'FLOAT' voltage
        (13.8V or 27.6V) is reached, then it progressively reduces the current to maintain that voltage.
        This gets about 75% capacity back into the battery quickly but then takes a long time to
        restore the other 25%.



        Can't find any reference to your claims that a charger that is switched off, is float charging every single reference to float charging state categorically, you require charge input to float a battery and keep it at it's optimum capacity.

        I'm sure you'll come up with come some pathetic excuse, or just babble out more abuse and deranged insults in your desperation to protect you clearly false claims. The truth is out there for all to see, how our approach is not floating anything, but bulk charging to a set voltage point, no more charge. When the pack drops to 13.6v from use, bulk charging restarts, not a small compensating float charge.

        This is because we use a single stage charger, only a deranged fool would call a charger with one charge parameter a 2-3 or 4 stage float charger. Our chargers never supply a small charge to anything, just bulk 60ampor whatever is being produced.

        Couldn't help but laugh at how quick you took the bait in your infantile desperation to find fault with my posts, so desperate you had to attack the semantics, hilariously funny. An electrical appliance sources its energy, so supplying energy to it, is supplying a source of energy consumption. Nothing wrong with my description, just your deluded reply.

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        • Sunking
          Solar Fanatic
          • Feb 2010
          • 23301

          You are IGNORANT

          All Floating a Battery means is a VOLTAGE at which the BATTERY is not charging or discharging.

          Every emergency lighting system, telephone office, communication facility, your laptop, and cell phone work in this fashion. I will type slowly so you can understand.

          You charge your battery up to a specified voltage, and hold that voltage. The battery is neither charging or discharging once SATURATED to the VOLTAGE, it is Floating. This allows the charge source )like solar panels or a Rectifier) to run the load equipment without using BATTERY POWER until NEEDED.

          That is how any Solar battery system works. Anyone in the biz knows this from DAY 1 except YOU.

          [QUOTE]Can't find any reference to your claims that a charger that is switched off, is float charging every single reference to float charging state categorically, you require charge input to float a battery and keep it at it's optimum capacity.[\QUOTE]

          This is because you have no clue how electric current flows. In order for current to flow there must be a Difference in Potential (that means VOLTAGE) If the CHARGER and Battery are the same voltage, NO CURRENT FLOWS period. The charger is still on, just no current to or from the battery. Thus the power from the charge source is used by the loads instead of the battery It keeps the battery charged up until dark. Simple fundamentals and how every charge controller made is designed to operate. It is given the term FLOAT MODE. or FLOAT STAGE.

          Even a 5th grader can understand that.

          How to charge any battery. Apply a current until battery reaches a specified voltage. Hold that voltage until current stops and the battery is FLOATING. What does FLOATING mean? The battery is neither charging or discharging.

          It is the exact same thing as putting 2 or more batteries in parallel The voltages equalize and current flow stops.
          Last edited by Sunking; 07-27-2016, 09:21 PM.
          MSEE, PE

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