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  • SWFLA
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    Being in the marine industry I have been looking for a good multi voltage charger for some time with no luck. I even work on some old 32v systems that Hatteras used to use.
    Those mean-well chargers are single voltage. And not the quality I would spend My money on.

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  • Sunking
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    Originally posted by AzRoute66
    It was my understanding that the recommended charging parameters from the manufacturers was changed to 'Smoke Charging' not because it was the better charging algorithm, but it was to attempt to stave off the warranty claims resulting from chronic undercharging (primarily from solar users). Not sure it is the algorithm they would choose if the full and complete 3 stage, etc. were available. I guess I better learn/know before I have my charger programmed.
    Let you in on a secret. Well not secret in the industry. All Battery Chargers work exactly a alike. Every charger made is a Constant Current and Constant Voltage Charger (CC/CV). Only thing that changes is the Voltage Setpoints, Monitoring, and Current. It does not matter what the manufacture calls it charger, Float, Fast, 3-Stage, 4-Stage, or Puff the Magic Dragon everyone of them is a CC/CV charger. Anything else like a Pulse Charger Is just a gimmick.

    In the mean time I will look around for 12/24/48 volt chargers. There are a few, not sure they are worth the money.




    Last edited by Sunking; 08-12-2017, 11:39 AM.

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  • NEOH
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    AzRoute66
    Mean Well Battery Charger...

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  • AzRoute66
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    It was my understanding that the recommended charging parameters from the manufacturers was changed to 'Smoke Charging' not because it was the better charging algorithm, but it was to attempt to stave off the warranty claims resulting from chronic undercharging (primarily from solar users). Not sure it is the algorithm they would choose if the full and complete 3 stage, etc. were available. I guess I better learn/know before I have my charger programmed.

    See, your last two paragraphs were great for me. Thanks. I had never heard of Elcom, and the other names were just nebulous things out there that could be the pinnacle of design and function, or an industry joke. Very helpful to have them recommended by you. Would be just as helpful, perhaps more, to know which would not be recommended if you know of any popular lines you consider to be less than desirable (for whatever reason).

    I just saw an Elcom PFC 1500 for $550, which doesn't seem unreasonable, certainly more appealing than $2000. Thanks again.

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  • Sunking
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    Originally posted by AzRoute66
    I already have you on my lists for BOTH knowing what I might could use, AND what are good places for my money. You have just not quite bubbled up to the top yet. I was hoping to add you to the 'guy that knows his battery chargers' list.
    I know battery chargers well, very well, but what you are asking for are far and few between. Hobby Chargers made for RC Planes, Trucks, Helicopters, Quads, and Trucks have them. Catch is they only go up to 36 volts, and you need a good DC Power Supply to supply power. What you want (12, 24, & 48does not exist to my knowledge.

    Today's chargers and batteries, there is no need for 4 stages. Look at any good battery manufacturers like Rolls, Crown, Trojan, US Battery they no longer specify 3 or 4 day algorithms. Daily Charge and Float is all you get plus EQ. Example Trojan is Daily Charge at 14.83 volts until current stops, then Float at 13.6. Crown charge at 14.85 volts until current Stops, then Float at 13.6 volts. If you =want kind and gentle there is no better algorithm than plain ole Float at 13.6 volts. That is what every data center, communications center, military, Telephone, and cell phone towers all use Float Chargers. Have done so for 100 years. That is how they get 10 to 20 years out of batteries. Just one catch. It takes up to 24 hours to recharge. Unacceptable for daily cycle applications.

    You have fallen victim with Marketing Terms and catch names like 3-Stage, 4-Stage, and 5 Stage Smart Charger. They are all Float Chargers with a controller that keeps changing the voltage. You boost voltage up real high to charge as fast as you can, then reduce to Float.

    If you want chargers that can be programmed to do lots of batteries you can have. Once of the best is Elcom like model PFC 1500. It wil charge any battery from 24 to 240 volts DC. It is a 1500 wat charger which means at 24 volts is 40 amps and at 240 volts is 5 amps. Just one catch. You must specify what voltages and algorithms you want when you order them. Up to 8 profiles, but you cannot change them. But they will charge any battery type from 24 to 240 VDC with any algorithm you want. They even have CAN BUSS to talk to motor Controllers and BMS. Manzanita is another one to look at.

    Iota, Samlex, Pro Mariner, and Power Max all make good chargers. You just have to decide what voltage and current model they make. Good luck finding one for 12/24/48/ volts you can program to do anything you want for less than $2000
    Last edited by Sunking; 08-13-2017, 11:26 AM.

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  • AzRoute66
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    I am looking for a charger that is versatile enough to use on other peoples stuff. In particular at the moment, my friends 5th wheel (24V), and a cabin four of us are purchasing in Canada. Also one that allows me to change my charging philosophy. So, I would be looking for something with a settable constant current (Bulk) output for sure.

    Also, I understand Smoke Charging from the solar panels, but I had envisioned a kinder, gentler charging profile with this since time is not a problem. Normal/full absorb, and float might be refreshing for a battery bank from time to time.

    Bonuses would include being able to charge a wide variety of battery types, nominal voltages, and retain all settings between uses. (an echo?)

    I have some info on a Schumacher and an Iota model that I am comparing the 'other stuff' to.

    Per Sunking, "You would be wasting your money on something you have no use for." I already have you on my lists for BOTH knowing what I might could use, AND what are good places for my money. You have just not quite bubbled up to the top yet. I was hoping to add you to the 'guy that knows his battery chargers' list.

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  • Sunking
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    Originally posted by AzRoute66
    At a minimum it would be fully settable for all reasonable setpoints of a four stage charging regimen for a 48 volt FLA battery, capable of being run on a standard 120VAC 15 or 20 amp dedicated circuit, be portable, and have robust amount of self, and battery, protections.
    You would be wasting your money on something you have no use for.

    All that is needed to support a solar system is a very simple Constant Current Constant Voltage charger that allows you to set voltage. All you need is one voltage, no stages, that just slows things down and cost extra money. What you want and need is a charger that fully charges the batteries as fast as possible.

    Last question is how do you know 15 to 20 amps is enough, to much, or not enough? What is the battery capacity?

    Anyway all you are looking for a a Golf Cart Battery Charger. Real easy to fin din AZ. Every garage in Sun City has one.
    Last edited by Sunking; 08-11-2017, 10:47 AM.

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  • SWFLA
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    How many ah is the battery bank?

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  • AzRoute66
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    Best 48 Volt Charger

    I am in the market for a good versatile charger to make sure my off grid system, and my friends' systems, get a good finishing charge once per week and an equalization once per month.

    At a minimum it would be fully settable for all reasonable setpoints of a four stage charging regimen for a 48 volt FLA battery, capable of being run on a standard 120VAC 15 or 20 amp dedicated circuit, be portable, and have robust amount of self, and battery, protections.

    Bonuses would include being able to charge a wide variety of battery types, nominal voltages, and retain all settings between uses.

    A nod of the head if affordable, easy to use, or comes with English language instructions.
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