Field fix to charge lithium battery

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  • solaar
    Member
    • Nov 2016
    • 31

    Field fix to charge lithium battery

    I have a small solar powered 60Ah LIFEPO4 battery I’m using as a portable system. I’m on the road at the moment and my panel has failed (it’s been playing up and there hasn’t been a solution for it, now it’s just unusable).

    I’m wondering if as a temporary solution for a few days, it is possible to connect my starter battery to the charge controller (Victron 75/15). The alternator brings the battery up to 14.4 when charging and then drops to about 14.2. I have the charge controller set to 14.2V for the lithium. The problem I can see is that the CC will only take 15A and the alternator is going to be putting out a lot more than that, but will that current be passed onto the CC or will the CC just take what it needs?

    Sorry if the question seems idiotic, there are significant gaps in my knowledge.

    I have a few bits and pieces: wires, fuses, tools, jumper leads, electrical tape, connectors etc with me and can stir up a few other things from the local stores. I don’t really want to buy another panel right now though, it’s not the end of the world if I can’t charge the battery for this trip.

    I’m curious anyway to know what would happen and what I’d need to make it work.

    Thanks.
  • Mike90250
    Moderator
    • May 2009
    • 16020

    #2
    A MPPT controller "might" be OK. A PWM controller will pop it's internal fuse
    Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

    solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
    gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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    • solaar
      Member
      • Nov 2016
      • 31

      #3
      Thanks Mike. So worst case scenario would be popping the fuse in the Victron mppt? Is it worth the experiment or could I damage my gear?

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      • Mike90250
        Moderator
        • May 2009
        • 16020

        #4
        No. I said MPPT "Might" be ok. Morningstar MPPT would work, since they have a white paper about that.

        Generally, MPPT seeks the max power point of the panels to charge with. If it doesn't need all that power, it "de-tunes" itself to a lower point on the power curve. But a battery or alternator is not a Current Source like a PV panel is, and so the controller will be unable to de-tune the power going to the battery,
        Often, they fall back to a PWM mode and pop- there goes the fuse.
        Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
        || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
        || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

        solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
        gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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        • Mike90250
          Moderator
          • May 2009
          • 16020

          #5
          If it was critical to charge the battery, select a automotive headlamp, and use that in series from the vehicle to the battery. The light bulb will limit the CURRENT (amps) and allow the battery under charge to slowly come up to voltage. Expect 4-7 amps of current.
          (only works with incandescent bulbs, not LED or Ion)
          Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
          || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
          || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

          solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
          gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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          • Sunking
            Solar Fanatic
            • Feb 2010
            • 23301

            #6
            PB and LFP use the exact same charger and voltages. Your LFP 60 AH battery is larger than your vehicle battery and can easily take its place.
            MSEE, PE

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