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  • Samsvan
    Junior Member
    • Apr 2017
    • 3

    Thoughts on a new install

    After reading through dozens of really useful and informative posts I have finally signed up in hope of getting some feedback. Like many first time posters on here I am brand new to solar but have been researching and reading extensively in order to get a better understanding of how everything works and what will be the best fit for my setup.

    I am looking to do a self conversion on a Ford transit panel van in the UK later in the year and have narrowed down the basics of my solar setup as follows:

    I have calculated my needs to be ~60ah a day and originally wanted to have 3 days backup (reason for choosing 2 x 190ah batteries below) in case of miserable weather that wouldn't provide the best charging conditions. I will be traveling around Europe for at least a year and don't want to be staying at campsites to help keep costs down. With this in mind I have decided not to have a plug in for mains but will include a split charger. After reading many posts, blogs etc, it appears that many people don't recommend having 12v batteries in parallel but do promote the use of 6v in series to get a 12v bank, that is why I am torn between the two options below, even if it does mean having a considerably smaller bank.

    I don't think my needs are too excessive. Waeco fridge, led lights, water pump, charger for laptop, heater, electronic keyboard and a few usb chargers for phone etc.

    1 x 300W Solar Pannel


    2 x Trojan T105 in series or 2 x 12v Explorer 190ah in parallel
    T-105 Trojan 6V Deep Cycle Flooded Battery Trojan Batteries was founded in 1925 and has become one of the world's leading manufacturer of deep-cycle, Solar and motive batteries. Trojan produces a broad range of energy storage solutions including deep-cycle Flooded, AGM, Gel and Lithium batteries. Trojan's deep-cycle flooded batteries are the flagship battery range. Engineered to provide rugged durability, outstanding performance and long life, Trojan's deep-cycle flooded batteries are perfectly suited for use in a variety of golf and electric vehicles. These powerful deep-cycle flooded batteries feature Trojan's historically-proven engineering and T2 Technology, an advanced battery technology for maximum sustained performance, longer life and increased total energy. The Trojan Advantage Trojan engineers work continuously to improve their products and develop advanced battery technology. Advancements such as Trojan’s Smart Carbon, T2 Technology, proprietary Alpha Plus Paste, and our exclusive Maxguard separator, all being the very internal makeup of Trojan batteries which all help to deliver exceptional battery performance. HydroLink Watering System With Trojan Battery’s innovative HydroLink Watering System, you can experience faster, easier and safer battery watering. With HydroLink, a complete set of batteries can be watered in less than 30 seconds! Benefits ; Reduces acid spills, Independent water level indicator, Internal and external flame arrestors, Cost-effective, 4 year Guarantee to work with your Trojan batteries, Compatibility with 6V, 8V and 12V Trojan Batteries. T-105 6V Flooded Battery The T-105 6V deep cycle flooded lead acid battery provides rugged durability and excellent performance in a variety of applications, such as Recreational Vehicles, Floor Cleaning Machines, or Solar. The technology inside this battery offers maximum sustained performance, longer life, and increased total energy. FEATURES & BENEFITS • Part of the Signature Line, the flagship Trojan flooded lead-acid batteries • Featuring Alpha Plus paste with T2 Technology for maximum sustained performance, longer life and increased total energy • Maxguard T2 advanced separator sustains performance providing exceptionally longer battery life and significantly lowering your operating costs. • Manufactured polypropylene rugged case • Heat and corrosion resistant • HydroLink single-point watering system makes maintenance easy and safe • Only 5-15% self-discharge per month • 4 different terminal types • 99% recyclable CAPACITY MINUTES @25 Amps / 447 @75 Amps / 115 1 Year Warranty *Always cross reference dimensions and specifications to your existing battery before ordering. Terminal types may differ from image. Please get in contact with us for specific terminal requirements.

    http://www.alpha-batteries.co.uk/leisure-batteries/190-ah-xplorer-leisure-battery/

    1 x MorningStar ProStar - PS-MPPT-25M
    ProStar MPPT, Morningstar Corporation, Solar, Charge Controller, Maximum Power Point Tracking, MPPT Solar Controller, Solar Controller


    1 x 300w Pure Sine Inverter


    Any thoughts / feedback from the gurus or anyone for that matter, would be greatly appreciated. I guess my main concern is the sizing of the system and ensuring that I have enough battery power for my needs, especially choosing between the 6v or 12v options even if it does mean a smaller bank.

    Thanks,
    Sam
  • jflorey2
    Solar Fanatic
    • Aug 2015
    • 2331

    #2
    Originally posted by Samsvan
    Any thoughts / feedback from the gurus or anyone for that matter, would be greatly appreciated. I guess my main concern is the sizing of the system and ensuring that I have enough battery power for my needs, especially choosing between the 6v or 12v options even if it does mean a smaller bank.
    2 6V in series. Cheaper overall. If you need more I'd go with 4 6V (series/parallel.)

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    • littleharbor
      Solar Fanatic
      • Jan 2016
      • 1998

      #3
      2 series wired 6 volt 220 amp hour batteries have the same amount of power as 2 12 volt 110 amp hour batteries in parallel , 220 amp hours @ 12 volts. AND they occupy the same amount of space. You are better off with a single string battery bank. less connections, less cells to check and fill and with 6 volt golf cart batteries you will be getting a true deep cycle battery as opposed to the many so called "RV/marine deep cycle batteries.
      2.2kw Suntech mono, Classic 200, NEW Trace SW4024

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      • Samsvan
        Junior Member
        • Apr 2017
        • 3

        #4
        Thanks for the feedback. Am I right in thinking the 25amp prostar will be sufficient for the panel I have chosen and given I am using a 12v bank?

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        • littleharbor
          Solar Fanatic
          • Jan 2016
          • 1998

          #5
          Specs say up to 350 watts at 12 volt.
          2.2kw Suntech mono, Classic 200, NEW Trace SW4024

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          • sensij
            Solar Fanatic
            • Sep 2014
            • 5074

            #6
            Originally posted by Samsvan
            Thanks for the feedback. Am I right in thinking the 25amp prostar will be sufficient for the panel I have chosen and given I am using a 12v bank?
            Depending on where you are located and how you are mounting it, you might find 300 W is underpowered. Your batteries will appreciate it if you can get your CC up to its 25 A max output, but you'll need another panel (or a larger one) to do that with any regularity.

            The data sheet estimates that you'd need 350 W to get to 25 A once you account for losses, but even that is probably best case. You can put more PV power than that on the CC, it will self-limit to the rated 25 A output.

            From the data sheet:
            *Input power can exceed Nominal Operating Power. Controller will limit and provide its rated continuous maximum output current into batteries."
            CS6P-260P/SE3000 - http://tiny.cc/ed5ozx

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            • Samsvan
              Junior Member
              • Apr 2017
              • 3

              #7
              Originally posted by sensij

              Depending on where you are located and how you are mounting it, you might find 300 W is underpowered. Your batteries will appreciate it if you can get your CC up to its 25 A max output, but you'll need another panel (or a larger one) to do that with any regularity.

              The data sheet estimates that you'd need 350 W to get to 25 A once you account for losses, but even that is probably best case. You can put more PV power than that on the CC, it will self-limit to the rated 25 A output.

              From the data sheet:
              Ensuring I have enough power to fully charge the batteries is part of my concern. I don't intend on having a mains hookup in the van as I am hoping to be out in the wild for the vast majority of time. With this in mind I need to ensure I can get the bank completely charged on solar alone.....

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