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  • Tim
    Junior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 3

    #1

    power shed design

    I need put up a building to house 1) a diesel generator 2) an inverter/charge controller etc. and 3) a battery bank. I will isolate the batteries from the rest of the equipment and would like to keep them around 70 degrees F. The inverter likes to run cooler than that and the generator likes to be as warm as it can to start quickly. I would appreciate any design ideas or plans that have been worked out well for someone else. Thanks.

    Tim
  • Mike90250
    Moderator
    • May 2009
    • 16020

    #2
    I'm building 2 sheds, 8x12 each, one for genset, and one for battery & electronics. Batteries will be boxed to vent any acid fumes away from the electronics. I figured split my pain if one self-immolated. A bit more work, and they will both be at ambient or so, and not preheated.
    Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

    solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
    gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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    • Tim
      Junior Member
      • Oct 2009
      • 3

      #3
      One site I found recommended recessing the battery box into the ground to keep them at a more constant temp. I live in the cascades in Oregon so the average ambient may be too cool. Also, any ideas - hardy board etc. - for battery box construction?

      Tim

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      • Mike90250
        Moderator
        • May 2009
        • 16020

        #4
        Originally posted by Tim
        One site I found recommended recessing the battery box into the ground to keep them at a more constant temp. I live in the cascades in Oregon so the average ambient may be too cool. Also, any ideas - hardy board etc. - for battery box construction?
        Tim
        Cold batteries are happy batteries, but lower capacity when cold.
        I don't know what hardy board is, but even .5" plywood will deflect battery fumes. And it's cheap. Unless you do a lot of over-charging and getting the batteries really bubbling, there is not a lot of hydrogen and oxygen generated. Mostly about keeping acid mist away from the electronics
        Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
        || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
        || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

        solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
        gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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        • Tim
          Junior Member
          • Oct 2009
          • 3

          #5
          Thanks for the input Mike. Having 2 structures to split the "self-immolation" risk is a good idea.

          Time to get started.

          Tim

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          • Mike90250
            Moderator
            • May 2009
            • 16020

            #6
            Attaching a overview shot of my planned system. (well, not planned - permit pulled). It may help inspire you. Pole mount will hold 15, 200w panels. Pole is in concrete, 10' deep, 24" di. Pipe is 6" sch80 18' tall

            For the generator shed, I'm just going to have a chain link gate, as a door. Help solve ventilation issues.

            This is the style of generator going in, simple, rugged, hand crank. Should be able to run on the acre of sunflowers I plant.
            Attached Files
            Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
            || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
            || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

            solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
            gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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            • ed2kayak
              Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 58

              #7
              Are you going to press the sunflower seeds yourself?
              [I][URL="http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/album.php?albumid=23"]My PV & Thermal Hot Water System.[/URL][/I]

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              • philpaine
                Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 37

                #8
                Hi Mike

                If you need some free shed plans, have a look at my site. I have a dozen links to shed plans hat you can download without having to sign up for anything or pay any money.

                See www.mywoodengardensheds.com

                Hope this is of some use.

                Phil

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                • Mike90250
                  Moderator
                  • May 2009
                  • 16020

                  #9
                  Originally posted by philpaine
                  Hi Mike

                  If you need some free shed plans, have a look at my site. I have a dozen links to shed plans hat you can download without having to sign up for anything or pay any money.

                  See www.mywoodengardensheds.com

                  Hope this is of some use.

                  Phil
                  Thanks - some look pretty good
                  Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                  || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                  || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                  solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                  gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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                  • Vern2
                    Junior Member
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 78

                    #10
                    Mike,

                    Great plans!
                    On the pole array, How does the shade stay off of the other pole array? Your two arrays seem like their huge. I wanted that but figured the space between panels would take up two much land.

                    Is it time to turn the hotdog over? Ha!

                    Vern
                    Vern
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                    • Mike90250
                      Moderator
                      • May 2009
                      • 16020

                      #11
                      The arrays are at a 50 deg angle, to catch the best winter sun, without hurting summer production. Front pole is about 8'. Rear - if/when installed, would be higher, to clear.

                      Yes, they are HUGE mounts, 15, 200W panels. Pole is 6" di, cement mount is 10' deep, 24" di. Gotta be strong, this is my Fusion Powered Power Plant,
                      Attached Files
                      Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                      || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                      || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                      solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                      gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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                      • Vern2
                        Junior Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 78

                        #12
                        I see! Their non tracking pole mounts. I know with all your knowledge (and your the man!) that a simple single tracking system may keep you from adding that second pole and a lot cheaper to boot. And also, I know, you know dual tracking is the golden grail.

                        (I can see it now). Mike:, "Honey, I'm taking out the trash.", Wife:, "Again!" (Mikes tracking system.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm54VcEQMaY Ha!

                        This is Mikes plug-in electric car he built. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhGco52SJ_A

                        Vern
                        Last edited by Vern2; 11-13-2009, 01:47 PM.
                        Vern
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                        [URL="http://www.enichesoftware.com"]Home projects:[/URL]

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